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It seems to be a really common trope in futuristic movies to have visible force fields, but based on a couple questions, it seems like it's not all too realistic to create a small force field (size of a doorway) due to the amount of energy taken. However, I was hoping to take a different look at this concept.

In the Avengers series, we see Wakanda sporting a large-scale, but not as powerful force field surrounding the entire city. At first glance, this seems largely impossible due to the amount of energy required to create a small field, but I think the metrics could be somewhat changed in this scenario. During the battle in Wakanda, it seems like the power of the force fields is somewhat weaker than the average force field, as there appear to be Outriders (bear-sized dogs?) that can push through the force field with enough power. Additionally, assuming that Wakanda's vibranium supply could be replaced with a realistic nuclear power plant, it seems like it would be within the realm of possibility.

One minor detail seen in the film, as well, is that there seem to be divisions of force fields, where some sectors can specifically be unlocked. This could lead to a theory that there are invisible force field emitters bordering each of these sectors, if that happens to help.

I'm wondering if it's possible to create the kind of force fields seen in this film, and if it's not possible, what relative scale would be more feasible (size of a small house, size of a person, etc.). As far as requirements for the field:

  • I was hoping for it specifically to be mostly translucent (color doesn't matter, but should not be completely invisible or completely opaque).
  • Field should produce electrical energy that's applied to a person on contact (doesn't have to be electrical arcs) rather than just proximity.
  • As for strength, I'm fine with it being relatively weak, but it should somewhat hinder small-arms fire/organic creatures from passing through.

Not particularly sure if this fits the hard-science tag, so I'm leaving it as science-based. Thanks for reading, y'all!

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    $\begingroup$ What is a science-based force field? This is quite important if you want science-based answers. $\endgroup$
    – AlexP
    Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 19:56
  • $\begingroup$ I'll clarify that in the post; forgot, sorry $\endgroup$
    – Daneolog
    Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 19:57
  • $\begingroup$ Honestly, a door is an energy force shield that's very power efficient and effective. Think of them as natures way of producing a force shield. You can even make them translucent and they can hinder small arms fire (or even larger stuff). $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 22:18
  • $\begingroup$ Step 1: Split a plexiglass dome into a large pile of small segments. Step 2: drones. Lots of drones. $\endgroup$
    – Cadence
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 5:01

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Visible shields are not a well thought out trope. Unless you are using it to stop a persistent and ever present threat like radiation, it makes a lot more sense to make them reactive, not preventative. What I mean by this is that you would only project it where you need it for a few milliseconds, and then turn it off when the threat is past. By doing this you can multiply the shield's power efficiency by many orders of magnitude which makes passive shielding a pretty bad tech to invest in.

Just to put this in perspective, a basic shield window takes 8 kW/cm^2; so to passively shield a city that is 10km across you would need about 150,000 gigawatts. Even if you were to fill the entire landmass of the dome with a giant nuclear power plant and all of the supporting infrastructure that a nuclear power-plant needs, you would only produce about 26 gigawatts of power. This is not nearly enough to keep the shield up continuously.

Now if your goal is to stop a hoard of Outriders, it turns out you don't really need a full shield dome sense a shield fence would probably suffice, Outriders don't really seem to be able to vertically jump more than 1 or 2 meters, so a 4m wall would probably be all you need to stop them. A 4m perimeter shield around a 10km city would be only be about 126,000 m^2 which would only take about 10 gigawatts of powery. While far from practical, this atleast becomes doable.

That said, a visible full dome shield may be achievable anyway if you change your thinking a bit. What you could actually have is a physical dome made out of plasma windows. In this case you would have a "shield dome" over the city that is always there with or without power, and when a threat comes in, the needed window turns on to intercept it. In this case the city has an ever present shield dome without wasting 5 times the collective energy budget of the world to fuel it. This would work great with your Outrider invasion because if the whole city were put under siege where you needed to turn on a persistent ground level fence, it would pull those 10 gigawatts just to get a basic 8 kW/cm^2 shield window to hold the enemy at bay. Such a fence would burn like hell to run through, but probably not have enough repulsion to stop a moving body. But, if instead your city were to come under artillery bombardment, it could activate just a few windows at a time pouring those 10 gigawatts into highly concentrated plasma windows that could offer thousands of atmospheres worth of resistance just when and where they are needed both vaporizing and repealing just about any form of matter or energy you can think to bombard it with.

One final note: Plasma windows that are strong enough to repel physical matter are VERY bright. Basically picture a fire, then picture a fire that burns so intensely that it would physically push you back if you get too close. Now picture what would happen to your eyes if you were to look at such a fire... So, to make a science based shield that does not do more harm than good, you'd need to use a "dark plasma shield". There is some research to suggest there are methods for making plasma shields darker, but none have proven effective enough yet to safely and significantly interfere with ballistic weapons.

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  • $\begingroup$ Hmm, that does seem aligned with what I was thinking. I suppose I was mainly trying to figure out how much energy is required to power a shield the size of a city, so with passive shielding this should definitely be easier. $\endgroup$
    – Daneolog
    Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 20:51
  • $\begingroup$ I think the main reason why a shield dome would be difficult to use is because of entry/exit, needing some sort of powered door (kinda clunky, maybe) $\endgroup$
    – Daneolog
    Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 20:52
  • $\begingroup$ @Daneolog added some math for you $\endgroup$
    – Nosajimiki
    Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 22:04
  • $\begingroup$ Too small for me to edit, but it is "sense" not "since" in the first paragraph. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 3, 2020 at 23:06
  • $\begingroup$ Loved the practical energy calculation, tysm!! That makes a lot more sense $\endgroup$
    – Daneolog
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 14:45
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Use Utility Fogs for Force Fields

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There's a significantly cheaper way to do traditional sci-fi shields around stationary targets using utility fogs.

A utility fog, despite the name, is not a gas at all. Instead, it is a solid metallic mesh of 50 millimeter scale robots that move by holding one-another using small extending "arms" that can reach up to 50 mm from the center of the machine and end in "hands" that can grasp the next micromachine.

These machines arrange themselves as a network, structurally supporting one another and giving strength to whatever overall form the network takes. Because of this ability to modify their overall structure on-demand, they can assume a wide range of shapes, thicknesses, and mesh densities (# of machines per cubic meter).

Although frequently imagined as an always-moving dynamic mesh, a utility fog could enter a rest state where it retains all of it's strength (roughly 800 kpsi for a utility fog made of aluminum).

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Because it is pretty spread apart, the material is mostly transparently optically. The computing part of each node is about the size of a grain of pollen, so the overall optical effect of a utility fog shield would be a hazy day due to high pollen count.

Additionally, the mesh could be plated with a nano-material that is functionally the opposite of Vantablack. That is, instead of absorbing energy, it could have an extremely high index of refraction to certain frequencies; greatly diffusing that radiation.

As an active material, utility fog could have many of the traditional sci-fi shield effects :

  • it can "brought up" and "taken down".
  • they could emit a small amount of light while operating to let people know where the barrier is.
  • The material can be "reinforced" by either drawing from a reservoir of unused micromachine "grey goo" and thickening or increasing the density of parts.
  • Holes broken through the material can be healed.
  • Power can be drawn from some facility that the utility fog mesh is electrically connected to.

As seen in some shows, utility fog shields could also be used offensively. With safeties removed, the shields could crush, slice, electrically shock, or merely restrain personnel and vehicles within the field.

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    $\begingroup$ Thank you for the nightmares your last paragraph will surely fuel. $\endgroup$
    – Kyle A
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 2:33
  • $\begingroup$ That's a very interesting look at that. It definitely does carry a lot of the attributes of a force field, and it even looks somewhat metallic! Really interesting... $\endgroup$
    – Daneolog
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 14:33
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Molecularly Aligned Air

I'm going to take some inspiration from L. Ron Hubbard's Battlefield Earth. In that novel, the Psychlos had developed galaxy-spanning but very practical technology. And like any good author, Hubbard spent just enough time on the scientific theory to whet the reader's appetite, but never so much that it compromised telling a good story.

Like the Psychlo force fields.

Great cables were laid underground, surrounding the cities and facilities of the Psychlos. The cables caused the air above the cables to align such that nothing could push through. Bits and pieces of trees, material blown on the wind, even birds would get stuck on the surface such that, when shut down, the debris would fall to the ground.

You could easily imagine something like creating a form of glass — made of crystalline air — and we would perceive it in a similar manner. We're used to seeing gaseous air, so the static air would look odd. Indeed, as light hits it at the right angle (just as it does with glass), it would shine and reflect.

But what about the science, and can we estimate some power requirements? I can't... but there is this:

DISCLAIMER: This is NOT my field of science. I haven't but the vaguest idea if what I'm about to discuss is applicable or appropriate. But it's fun to imagine....

Based on an excerpt from Advances in Nonlinear Optics it appears it's possible to align air molecules creating, at least, ions if not plasma (I think there's plasma... it doesn't help that Google won't let me see the pages before or after the excerpt. Is it junk science if you can only read a couple of paragraphs? Probably. I don't exactly know how the lasers are being used... but it sounds fun! Cheers!)

So, the idea of aligning air molecules exists. Can you align them with enough density to reject something getting through the screen? We can't do it, so we can't prove it, but why not? Think of it like weaving threads to create a trampoline. An impacting object might even be thrown back as the aligned air molecules reassert their dominance and snap back into place. And whether that article is talking about ionizing the air or creating or using plasma to create the alignment — the result is that you have a strong electrical charge coursing through the screen.

  • What this idea doesn't do is create a curved screen. That's actually a harder sell for me in science fiction. Magnetism could arc over the top of a city, but without emitters at the perimeter and a receptor above the city at the center (or vice versa), I personally don't buy the idea of covering the city. At this time, I think that's still in the technobabble stage of the scifi-to-science transition.

  • I do think that needing massive nuclear reactors is near-sighted. We're looking at power generation from today's perspective, not tomorrow's. I'm a fan of Isaac Asimov's Foundation series of novels where he presents the idea of miniaturized nuclear reactors small enough to wear as jewelry. So, if you're going to imagine the plausibility of an actual city-sized shield, it should be an axiom that improving the size-to-output ratio for energy generation is possible.

  • As for divisions. Anywhere you break Hubbard's cable such that it can be activated independently from the rest, you have your segment.

  • Finally, it's worth noting that Hubbard's brilliance came out in the details. The obvious weakness of any shield generator are the emitters/receptors. On a space ship they're inside the shield (like a fountain pump is below the plume of water). But that's more problematic for a city — and Hubbard came up with something practical and therefore suspension-of-disbelief plausible. So, obviously, to protect them, he buried the emitters.

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  • $\begingroup$ Plasma shields have a basically spherical area of influence. This not because they create a sphere around you, but because they project plasma barriers out from emitters in a central location, and those emitters have a limited range. $\endgroup$
    – Nosajimiki
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 17:40
  • $\begingroup$ @Nosajimiki-ReinstateMonica, if you read that book excerpt, you'll see that I'm not talking about plasma shields - nor am I talking about the traditional touch-the-pretty-glass-bauble. I'm also not talking about today's technology other than to point out the ability to align air molecules appears to now be possible. In fact, plasma would make a terrible shield as its lack of cohesion simply means something traveling through it gets burned. I suppose it's a shield in the sense that anything passing through a strong enough field of plasma would be vaporized. $\endgroup$
    – JBH
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 17:50
  • $\begingroup$ Shaping air molecules does seem to be a relatively interesting theory, but I'm curious about how powerful it could be... could it stop something like a missile, even? And it would have sufficient destructive power as well $\endgroup$
    – Daneolog
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 18:19
  • $\begingroup$ @JBH I got that, I only brought it up because you mentioned the difficulty with curved screens. If your polarized air based shields worked under the principle of emitting converging forces to create a floating wall of crystallized space, then you could have a dome shield. It's a bit hand-wavy, but still based in known principles that help give it some credence as a possible solution. $\endgroup$
    – Nosajimiki
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 18:49
  • $\begingroup$ @Daneolog, shields are always a function of energy-in to stopping-power. The answer (since we can't build one) is necessarily "sure, if your emitter is good enough and your power source strong enough." $\endgroup$
    – JBH
    Commented Jun 4, 2020 at 19:32

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