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For starters, allow me to define more carefully what I am asking. For now I am not worried about any of the following, as if this question is answered they will be covered in later questions:

  • Bones breaking, tissues tearing etc. caused by the dragons large size, and organ systems required to support this creature. Both covered Here
  • Metabolic requirements.
  • How such a creature evolved or the plausibility thereof.

What I am asking is if I have made any mistakes or am missing any factors as to the mechanical ability of this dragon to fly.

I figured that whether or not my dragon could get off the ground, this question and subsequent answers might supply some basis to work off of for others who come to this site to ask about large flying creatures.

Warning - Math Ahead - Warning - Product of Someone with too much Free Time

I started with a sketch of the Dragon (Updated with Structure on tail to add some stability) Dragon

Using this Drawing I treated the body as a series of ellipsoids to calculate the volume. From there I ran numbers to find an appropriate wingspan etc. and edited the images to match.

The Dragon is designed with a head modeled loosely after a false gharial, wings and a chest modeled after those of a bat for flight, and a toads legs+a kangaroos tail to aid in liftoff.

Height: 6.5 meters

Length: 19 meters

Volume: 11.9 cubic meters

Average Density: 0.614 g/cm^3*

Weight: 7310 kilograms

Wingspan: 38 meters

Wing area: 304 square meters

Wing loading: 23 kg/m^2

Wings+Legs+Tail muscle cross-section: 43,000 cm^2

Muscle strength*** newtons/cm^2: 35 n/cm^2

Wings+Legs+Tail muscle strength: 1,474,900 watts

Liftoff time: 1 second

Height leaped in Liftoff**: 20.6 meters

Wing muscle cross-section: 21,600 cm^2

Wing muscle strength: 756,000 watts

Flap time: 2 seconds

Flap acceleration**: 21 meters a second

Coefficient of lift****: =<3.9

Coefficient of drag****: =>0.12

From nasa.gov

L = (1/2) d v2 s CL

L = Lift, which must equal the airplane's weight in pounds

d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. These values can be >found in a I.C.A.O. Standard Atmosphere Table.

v = velocity of an aircraft expressed in feet per second

s = the wing area of an aircraft in square feet

CL = Coefficient of lift , which is determined by the type of airfoil and angle >of attack.

(I'll be using metric) Density of air at 3km above sea level and -4.5c = 0.9093 kg/cm^3

0.5 x 0.9093 x 10^2 x 304 x 0.6 = 8292.816 kg of lift, more than enough to get this guy off of the ground.

Drag = Cd (d v^2)/2 x reference area

The density of air at sea level and 20c = 1.225 kg/m^3. The reference area I calculate is (1.5 x 2)m^2 for the face and torso + (36 x 0.4)m^2 for the wings, or 17.4 m^2.

0.2 x (1.225 x 10^2)/2 x 17.4 = 213.15 newtons of drag, though I am not sure how to calculate the effect of this on the dragon.

*Density of bird lowered further by certain adaptations which will be discussed in another question.

**Found using a simple work-over-time equation.

***There is no difference in strength between fast and slow twitch muscle fibers, only in contraction speed and endurance. Paper which shows this.

****Actual Coefficients of bats, if there is some reason these would not be close enough, please let me know.

I was surprised after looking at these numbers that I wasn't actually seeing anything that as far as I could tell stopped the dragon from flying. But this is my first time doing any of the math involved, and even if I got all of it right I could be missing something, so I thought I'd ask some of the smart folks over here at Stack-Exchange and see what they told me.

Assuming that this creature runs and then leaps, using arms then legs+tail, to liftoff, followed by a few flaps of its wings, could it get air-born as my numbers imply? From there could it maintain flight?

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  • $\begingroup$ What are its bones made of? Can you compute the required strength for, e.g., the humerus bone or the proximal phalange of the 5th finger? And what about sustained mechanical power, because I have no idea what "explosive" power means... $\endgroup$ – AlexP Apr 6 '17 at 23:47
  • $\begingroup$ @AlexP as I said at the top of the question, I'll be addressing bone strength and whatnot in another question. As for sustained mechanical power, I'll add data on that if I can find it, but it's much easier to find information on "explosive" strength, so that's all I have for now. Explosive strength referring to being able to lift an object for a short period of time, as opposed to being able to carry it. $\endgroup$ – Myrdden Wyllt Apr 7 '17 at 0:02
  • $\begingroup$ I will edit the OP to make what I mean by explosive strength more clear. $\endgroup$ – Myrdden Wyllt Apr 7 '17 at 0:16
  • $\begingroup$ It's not clear to me how the structure of the wings and motive power of a creature do not fall under "mechanical ability to fly". $\endgroup$ – The Nate Apr 7 '17 at 0:22
  • $\begingroup$ @The Nate, perhaps I could have phrased that a bit better. But to be clear, I am interested if muscle strength will be sufficient, but bone strength will be addressed seperately. $\endgroup$ – Myrdden Wyllt Apr 7 '17 at 0:25
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It looks like you don't want to pull the magic card.

I think that you can do without the webbing between the legs. I think that it is too close to the wings to provide much stability. I'd flatten the tail instead (or make the body longer and the tail shorter but that'll add mass).

Otherwise, unless the body is much denser than a mammal's, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't fly.

Walking, on the other hand may be an issue given its total size. Unless the leg bones are much stronger than ours, I think that the legs are too thin for its size.

Also, don't just look at loading on the surface of the wing but follow that load along the structural members. The shoulders (wing root) will be under a lot of stress. It might need to get beefed up. You might also need more "fingers" in the wing to reduce the stress faced by the root of each finger.

Though if it had hollow bones, that would work but it would be much more fragile.

It will also have the issue of being unable to pump the blood up from its legs back up to its heart. Take a look at elephants. The skin around it's feet and lower legs are very strong and is designed to act like a pressure sock to help muscle movement pump the blood back up.

So, aerodynamically, it looks good but I think that the cubed root law is going to bite you in the structure.

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    $\begingroup$ I'm going to attempt to address many of the issues you raised in another question (organ systems, bone and tissue strength, and whatnot). For this question I'm concerned mainly with if I've got the aerodynamics right, if as you say at the end of your answer I'm good there, I'll begin to write up my next questions concerning this dragon. $\endgroup$ – Myrdden Wyllt Apr 7 '17 at 0:09
  • $\begingroup$ As for the membrane between the legs and tail, that was an attempt to slightly reduce wing loading, as I would like to keep that as low as I can. If there is some reason that would not work, I would appreciate it greatly if you could elaborate on that. $\endgroup$ – Myrdden Wyllt Apr 7 '17 at 0:27
  • $\begingroup$ For reference, I believe mammal density is ~1.5g/cm^3. Making the density of my dragon a little under half. $\endgroup$ – Myrdden Wyllt Apr 7 '17 at 0:36
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    $\begingroup$ Remember that this is a hard-science question and, as such, requires citations to support your conclusions. You should edit this to include references to supporting evidence; otherwise, this may be deleted as inadequate, as the answer banner indicates. $\endgroup$ – Frostfyre Apr 7 '17 at 12:10
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    $\begingroup$ As Frostfyre mentioned, this has the tag hard science so you will need to back your claims with either citations (which I presume will be rare for dragons) or equations. The lack of supporting material have led to that your answer is in the review for low quality answers. $\endgroup$ – Mrkvička Apr 7 '17 at 17:33

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