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I have a group of fairies that are under five foot tall, with lightweight bones. I need to know big their wings would have to be.

They would be four wings in a dragonfly structure and they need to be able to be folded up.

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  • $\begingroup$ Weight matter more then height. Do you have an estimate for it? Note: insect body density is around 20% lower than for other animals (human is very close to the density of water, if the lungs are still full of air). $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2021 at 1:14
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    $\begingroup$ There are a few questions about scaling up dragonflies (A, B, C). Is it OK to have bird/pterasaur-like wings in a dragonfly-like arrangement? How realistic do you want the answer to be? $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2021 at 1:45
  • $\begingroup$ The size of the wings is not the question. It's the power of their flight muscles. Also dragonfly wings do not scale up very well, they depend on aerodynamic interactions between the wings that simply don't work fast enough at larger scales. Honestly, for worldbuilding? Just "wing it" and design for aesthetics and storyline not aerodynamics. $\endgroup$
    – PcMan
    Oct 19, 2021 at 4:51
  • $\begingroup$ If they are fairies, should we assume they have magic? If they have magic, do they use them for flight? If their wings have anti-gravity magic coatings, they may have heavier bone or smaller wings. $\endgroup$
    – Faito Dayo
    Oct 26, 2021 at 16:57

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WINGS WOULD PROBABLY BE 3 M LONG - THOUGH POSSIBLY JUST 1.5 M

The largest bird to ever fly was the Argentavis. Argentavis had an estimated height when standing on the ground that was roughly equivalent to that of a person, at 1.5 to 1.8 m, and its total length from bill tip to tail tip was approximately 3.5 m. It weighed up to 72 kg, with a wingspan of up to 6.5 m. This shows that flying creatures can be as big as a human - the question is if it can be humanoid with dragonfly-like wings.

Unlike bird wings, dragonfly wings are stiff and flat, generating no lift when gliding. Also, as others have mentioned, double wings aren't as effective as single wings for providing lift, though they provide better maneuverability. In return, they will probably be lighter than bird wings, even if scaled up, and the double wings provide a greater wing area for gliding (though this isn't a major factor).

As a simple assumption, let's say that dragonfly wings as wide as those of the Argentavis can lift approximately half the weight, meaning that a fairy with a wingspan of 6.5 m could weigh as much as 36 kg. That's not much lower than what is considered normal weight for a 5' human (down to 44 kg), and if a fairy is slimmer and has lighter bones, 36 kg seems very feasible.

If the fairy wings are attached 50 cm apart, each wing will be 3 m long, or about twice as long as the fairy is tall. If the fairy is standing on the ground with wings folded, they will extend maybe 2.5 meters behind the body, assuming they are attached at the shoulder blades. This may be feasible, if impractical. Alternatively, if the wings can be folded in half, they will not extend all that far behind the body.

This of course depends on the assumption that dragonfly wings are only half as effective as bird wings. If we make them equally effective, perhaps due to faster flapping, half this wingspan could suffice - especially if the fairy is lighter than the 36 kg of the Argentavis. Then, even wings that can't fold double would not trail far behind the fairy's body when folded flat.To achieve this rapid flapping, the muscles driving the wings would have to be very strong, possibly more than would be possible with mammalian muscles.

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You're reaching the limits of what is feasible.

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The largest bird is about 4.5 feet tall at the tallest, and is about this tall.

Double wings offer greater manouverability, which is great for insects which navigate tricky environments, but they offer less lift than a single longer wing because each new wing tip adds vortexes which increase drag.

As such, with inefficient wings and the absolutely massive size they're beyond normal biology. Perhaps they could glide short distances, but not much beyond that.

Using some very exotic bones and lungs you could push the effiency up, so their mass was much lower than comparable species, with sci fi materials like carbon nanotubes or magical reinforcement. This would make fairy bodies prizes and exotic materials for their properties, and allow them to fly at their height with wings around as long as the albatross below, 3 meters.

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  • $\begingroup$ what about the Quetzalcoatlus it is far larger than 4.5 feet $\endgroup$
    – Nyra
    Oct 19, 2021 at 8:09
  • $\begingroup$ We don't know if they flew or glided, and they didn't have double wings making their wings less efficient. If op was fine with modelling their wings after normal bird wings rather than inefficient insect wings sure. $\endgroup$
    – Nepene Nep
    Oct 19, 2021 at 10:03
  • $\begingroup$ The largest insect to ever live was a giant dragonfly, Meganeuropsis permiana, which was ca. 50 cm long with a wingspan of 75 cm. However, maximum insect size may be determined more by their breathing system than by their wings. entomology.unl.edu/scilit/largest-extinct-insect $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2021 at 10:13
  • $\begingroup$ Yeah. Body shape is important and insect wings aren't optimized for gigantic sizes. Nor are birds. You need to have your flying limbs be your jumping limbs to emulate Pterosaurs'. $\endgroup$
    – Nepene Nep
    Oct 19, 2021 at 10:16

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