5
$\begingroup$

I am working on building a civilization that has a ingrained superstition about two body systems. My desire is to build a myth system that revolves around empty or 0 is bad, 1 is ideal, and 2 is troublesome, taken from the astronomical observations. I can do it using a lunar system, two moons where the primary moon has a visible secondary body at one of it's Lagrange points. If I understand what I have been reading about here this should be stable.

However, I want to take it one step further, and create a dual star system setup, using The Butterfly Pattern as the orbital system pattern. Do the dual stars make sense, and would the presence of two moons aggravate the system enough to be catastrophic in an approximate span of 500,000 - 1,000,000 cycles? (I am looking at this time span to be a possible evolutionary progression of the civilization) The population in question will be interstellar, and have deep religious trappings based on the cultural myths and superstitious paradigms.

(Edit:) This question started based on research into stable 3-body patterns from links in the figure-8 questions. However, the question is NOT whether a figure 8 works, but if there are physical models of orbits around two stars that give me all combinations of the stars in the perceived sky of the civilization's planet. Both answers have helped me and gave me a good place to keep working out the idea. I want to select both as an answer, since they both work off each other.

$\endgroup$
1
  • $\begingroup$ This question is asking about a planet and a binary star system, not a figure-eight orbit, it's not a duplicate. $\endgroup$
    – Samuel
    Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 22:47

2 Answers 2

4
$\begingroup$

Yes, the physics work.

enter image description here

For most binary systems, habitable planets will have P-type or circumbinary obrits. That is, the planet will orbit both stars. This will generally be a little more boring than what you seem to be going for, both stars will be visible most of the day.

For a S-type orbit, the planet only orbits one of the stars, you'll get more interesting effects. It may not be all the common, but this type of orbit is possible and can be stable. In fact Alpha Centauri, our nearest neighbor, is a binary system where such a planet could exist.

As noted in other similar questions a planet switching orbits between the two stars is not at all likely.

$\endgroup$
3
  • $\begingroup$ I mapped out the P-type orbit (did not know the name, thank you!) before posting, but it seems like that would only have a very small percentage of the "day time" of a rotational cycle that has only one star in view. Although I think the geocentric model would have a perceived elasticity to the separation of the two "suns" in the sky as the planet orbits the stars in the elliptic. $\endgroup$
    – Vanzanz
    Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 21:06
  • $\begingroup$ @Vanzanz Yes, the P-type is a bit boring in comparison. I've added an image to better describe both types, but more specifically, the S-type, which would give you what you want. $\endgroup$
    – Samuel
    Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 21:11
  • $\begingroup$ I like the S-type since it creates very disparate visuals in the sky, compared to a single star model. ;) The only part that I am struggling with is that the distances between Star1 and Star2, in proportion to the distance to Star1 and the planet in S-Type orbit, were kind of large? To create a comparable visual of the the two stars, the distant one (in the model above) would probably be larger, then that star would wax and wane along the cycle of the Star1 orbit... There is a great deal to process with this idea! $\endgroup$
    – Vanzanz
    Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 21:22
4
$\begingroup$

The issue with something like the butterfly pattern is that it's been proposed as an orbital pattern for three equal sized bodies. With a planetary system, you're going to have two equal sized bodies and one which is significantly smaller than either.

That being said, it's definitely possible for a planet to exist in a solar system with two stars. Here are three possibilities for doing so:

  1. The planet orbits both stars

This is what's known as a 'P-type' orbit. In this case, the stars orbit one another fairly tightly, and the planet orbits around their gravitational center. Since the orbit goes around both stars, they will both be visible unless one of the stars goes behind the other. This may not be favorable for the culture to develop the '0 is bad, 1 is good, 2 is troublesome' sort of a mythology that you want.

  1. The planet orbits one star

This is called an 'S-type' orbit. This would be the case of a widely orbiting binary star system, with the planet passing between the stars during its orbit. Assuming that the planet also revolves, this might make the most sense for your mythology. A single sun in the sky would be most beneficial to life, providing warmth and light to go about the day. Night would bring darkness and cold. Night would only come about when both suns were on the same side of the planet. Although the light of the suns would be hotter during this time, the total light on the planet would be less, so hot days would be interspersed with cold nights. The perceived notion could be that with two suns are close together in the sky, the night can arise, and only when they are balanced on opposite sides of the planet is there consistent warmth and light.

  1. The planet sits in a Lagrange point.

Lastly, the planet could sit at a L4 or L5 Lagrange point. It would see two sunrises every day, with a short night. It also might work with your mythology, since the two-sun portion of the day would be very hot. One sun in the sky would bring enough light and warmth for people to go about their lives, and night would bring darkness.

$\endgroup$
2
  • $\begingroup$ Never thought of the planet as being in a star's Lagrange point! Awesome, I will have to sketch that out. $\endgroup$
    – Vanzanz
    Commented Jan 23, 2015 at 21:00
  • $\begingroup$ I like your answer as well, and the Lagrange point idea is great! I wish I could tag both as valid answers. Samuel's diagram is why I chose his answer. $\endgroup$
    – Vanzanz
    Commented Jan 24, 2015 at 1:28

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .