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Imagine that you are president-for-life in a third world country in the 60's. USA supports you because you are staunchly anti-communist but they are growing impatient with your heavy handed dealing with the opposition. In order to put some constraints on your power USA gives you an ultimatum to make a constitution and hold elections or they'll stop giving you aid.

What kind of combination of electoral system & legislature (unicameral, bicameral) would create the most fragmented and dysfunctional assembly that will be the least threat to your power?

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    $\begingroup$ Have you checked out historic examples like Germany before WW1 or newer African systems? I think you could massively improve your question if you show what kind of background knowledge you have and what directions might be good for you. Explaining the basics of history, politics and voting surely isn't the nature of this forum. Look how long some of the answers are - people are putting in a lot of work for you. From the top of my head, the weakest system I can think of was the Roman republic (which can be and was easily changed to dictatorship) - do you have something like that in mind? $\endgroup$ – Raditz_35 May 12 '17 at 8:52
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    $\begingroup$ Russia has a constitution and legislature. Iran has a constitution and legislature. China has a constitution and legislature. How is this even a question? -1 for no research effort. $\endgroup$ – kingledion May 12 '17 at 13:06
  • $\begingroup$ all hypothetical, of course... $\endgroup$ – Joshua Drake May 12 '17 at 20:14
  • $\begingroup$ Don't worry if your leader can't figure out how to weaken the legislature, his patrons in langley will be more than happy to help him figure it out. After all, why would they want to risk a strong legislature contradicting the stated views or policies for which they support your leader? $\endgroup$ – guenthmonstr May 12 '17 at 22:15
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Historical examples

"In order to put some constraints on your power USA gives you an ultimatum to make a constitution and hold elections or they'll stop giving you aid." So make a constitution and hold elections; it's not hard. There is a surfeit of historical examples! It is actually harder to find a constitution which was not eventually subverted by a political elite...

  • The Soviet Union and its allies in the Warsaw Pact actually had constitutions and held elections. Some even had multiple political parties. Laws were duly passed by legally constituted legislative assemblies. And yet everybody was aware that the man at the top was all-powerful.

  • The People's Republic of China actually has a constitution and holds regular elections. Laws are duly passed by a legally constituted legislative assembly. And yet...

  • To go a little back in history, pre-WW1 Germany actually had a constitution and held contested elections; it even had a powerful Social-Democratic Party. And yet the Emperor somehow managed to convince them all that invading Belgium in order to conquer France was a smart thing to do. The trick was that the Chancellor (head of the executive and speaker of the upper house of the parliament) was appointed by the Emperor and was responsible to the Emperor only; the Emperor had legislative initiative; and he also held intersting powers such as the power to make war and peace.

  • To go back a little more, the French Republic under the Directory and the Consulate, and then the 1st and 2nd French Empires had constitutions etc. etc.

    • French Directory established by the Constitution of the Year III
    • French Consulate established by the Constitution of the Year VIII; Napoleon I becomes 1st Consul
    • 1st French Empire established by the Constitution of the Year XII; Napoleon I becomes Emperor of the French
    • 2nd French Empire established by the Constitution of 1852; Napoleon III becomes Emperor of the French
  • A very long time ago, in 27 BCE, Gaius Octavius (who was eventually to be known as Caesar Augustus by the Romans and whom we usually call Octavian) succeeded in subverting the constitution of the Roman Republic so that he (and his successors) would rule uncontested while preserving almost all the laws and appearances of the republic; this political structure we call the Principate. Basically, what he did (and the rest of the emperors followed for two centuries) was to get rid of one tiny little unimportant custom and allow the same man (whom we call "emperor") to occupy simultaneously the positions of speaker of the senate, tribune of the people, commander in chief of the army, censor and great priest.

    • Notably, Octavian and the other emperors of the first two centuries of the Roman Empire, took care to let other people be elected consuls of Rome (i.e., notional heads of government). Nice touch this.

Suggested recipe

  1. Directly elected head of the executive (as in France, and nobody can say that France is not democratic)

    • With legislative initiative (works for the UK, cannot be said to be undemocratic)
    • With veto power over legislation (works for the USA, cannot be said to be undemocratic); require 2/3 of the total number of members of the lower house and the upper house to override an executive veto

    (Elections for the head of the executive are needed because even God-Emperors die eventually; in this way you pass the power to your successor.)

  2. Freely elected lower house of parliament, with proportional representation and no threshold (maximum democracy this!)

  3. Appointed upper house of parliament (works for the UK), must agree on laws passed by the lower house

If one cannot rule uncontested with such a perfectly democratic constitution one is absolutely inept at politics and should find another avocation.

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  • $\begingroup$ Not sure if you need the elections for the head of the executive if you are president for live already? $\endgroup$ – Paŭlo Ebermann May 13 '17 at 9:21
  • $\begingroup$ @PaŭloEbermann: You need them to pass the power to your successor. Even God-Emperors die eventually. $\endgroup$ – AlexP May 13 '17 at 13:59
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    $\begingroup$ @HomoTechsual: I didn't say that the UK has a directly elected head of the executive. I said that in the UK the executive has legislative initiative, i.e., they can propose laws. Anyway, I clarified it. $\endgroup$ – AlexP May 14 '17 at 8:24
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Assuming you want to keep the semblance of democracy...

Voting

Watch CGP Grey's series on the problems with elections and do them all.

Use first-past-the-post voting.

This is the system used in most of the US, Canada, and UK. It means there's one round of voting, and the candidate with the most votes wins even without a majority. This system is vulnerable to spoiler candidates; if too many similar candidates run with similar platforms they can split the vote and throw it to a minority. The party in power can ensure they only run a single real candidate in each district, and possibly even set up spoiler candidates of their own.

No national elections for representatives.

Ensure that representatives must run individually and for their separate districts. No national voting by party, because that would stop...

Use gerrymandering.

Gerrymandering is the practice of shaping voting districts so a minority party gets a majority of the seats. Since any votes over 51% are effectively "wasted", you can dilute the majority's power by concentrating them in as few districts as possible.

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Give representation by province.

Gerrymandering can be enshrined by defining the districts arbitrarily, like every province gets the same number of representatives regardless of population. Need more support? Split a loyal province in two. Want to dilute the opposition? Merge some opposition provinces together.

Enforce strict voter ID laws

These are known to suppress turnout, especially among the poor, young, and minorities. Lower turnout usually favors the party in power. You can also play shenanigans with voter registration removing voters from the roles for whatever made up reason you like. Of course, be sure to correct them promptly after the election. Tell everyone it's to prevent fraud.

Make voting inconvenient.

Place the polling places in areas convenient for your party. Have them open only during business hours on a work day, it's easier for rich folks to get time off work. Close polls promptly in locations unfavorable to your party, but leave them open a bit longer in favorable locations.

Disallow former criminals from running for office.

Want to prevent political dissidents from running for office? Get them convicted for a petty felony. Strict drug and morality laws work well, as well as broad, sweeping anti-terror and anti-protest laws.


Balance Of Power

The legislature can make laws, but the executive funds and enforces them.

The legislature can pass any law they like. If you don't like it, underfund it, and instruct the agency in charge of enforcing it to turn a blind eye, or interpret the law however they like. Of course, be sure to strictly enforce the laws on anyone who imposes you.

The executive can "review" the judiciary.

Even with no power, an independent judiciary is dangerous. Have judges be appointed by the executive who can also order their removal.

Make the executive immune from prosecution.

Put the legislature in charge of deciding if the executive is guilty. Require a 2/3 vote.

Put the executive in charge of the military.

Allow the executive to suspend the Constitution in a state of emergency.

Allow the executive to decide when there is a state of emergency.


I could go on, but this is getting depressing. For inspiration, look at the ongoing constitutional crisis in Turkey and the budding one in the US.

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    $\begingroup$ This is basically just a rant about the current system in the US I think. There have been far worse examples in history $\endgroup$ – Raditz_35 May 12 '17 at 8:56
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    $\begingroup$ @Raditz_35 It is also a rant about the current system in the US. :-) UK is vulnerable to some of this, too. The question didn't ask for the worst example. $\endgroup$ – Schwern May 12 '17 at 8:58
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    $\begingroup$ it kind of did - the most dysfunctional. I hardly think that a dictator would profit much from that, it is more for the upper class in general - to use UK terminology. I btw do not have a problem with your answer, you got an upvote from me - for that kind of meltdown ;). This forum should be more fun. Interesting thing though: I think the voter ID thing is something very specific to the US where a lot of people never leave the country. Do you think this really applies here? I always ask myself that when arguing with Americans. $\endgroup$ – Raditz_35 May 12 '17 at 9:06
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    $\begingroup$ @Raditz_35 Yes, there are worse "democracies", but the answer also wants something that will fool the US, so I didn't want to go too far outside the norms. As for whether voter ID is relevant, there's no information about the country in question to say, but that's just one voter suppression tactic. $\endgroup$ – Schwern May 12 '17 at 9:14
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    $\begingroup$ You've missed a couple. Elect people who should be appointed based on ability/experience. Appoint people who should be elected. Hold too many elections for minor positions so people lose interest in voting. $\endgroup$ – Separatrix May 12 '17 at 9:50
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I won't repeat already good answers, so consider this only an addition to existing answers.

One thing I should point out is that if your being pressured to pass some constitution not only do you need to pass something, you need to pass something that satisfies the people pressuring you. This means you can't be too blatant in crippling the government you generate. The big trick is to sneak things into the constitution that seem innocent or that US doesn't think it can argue against, but which you know you can exploit to keep power. I'll try to mention some 'tricks' for how to phrase some of these ideas in a constitution in a way that's more likely to appear like your trying to create a real democracy while still crippling it when I can.

I'm going to mention ways to control public elections, including rather they vote for you, and ways to control the votes in the legislature body to make sure that that body votes the way you want. Most ideas could be applied in both cases, but generally it's easier to control the legislature then control public votes in general when building the constitution.

Everyone can vote, but their votes are public

This is key and important. Everyone is allowed to vote for anyone they want, but of course you will know who they voted for. Sure you can vote for someone else it's fully your right to do that. If you happen to get audited on your taxes more thoroughly, or tend to get treated harsher by the police, or are just depicted as unpatriotic slime for not supporting your great leader, well that's just a random coincidence, it doesn't stop you from voting however you please.

There are plenty of incentives, and penalties, you can enact to 'encourage' the votes you want as long as it's known who is voting for what. If people are afraid to vote against you then your find votes tend to go your way.

Your probably only get the US to approve of legislative votes being published, with the general elections expected to be anonymous. That's okay though, the small number of legislature members means it's much easier to put pressure on them to vote appropriately then it is on all the country as a whole anyways; but if you can get general elections to be public as well all the better.

Have means to remove elected legislators you don't like

If someone isn't voting the way you want getting rid of them solves the problem for you. Of course giving yourself the power to remove anyone you don't like is so blatant the US won't sign off on it, so you have to be a little sneakier.

I would suggest creating a list of 'reasonable' reasons for removal of legislators that it your confident you can 'arrange' to happen for those you dislike. The best would be making certain crimes result in an automatic removal from office which you happen to be able to help encourage someone being found guilty of.

One good option here is to say any accepting of bribes or similar is grounds for removal, then create a system that otherwise strongly encourages and allows bribery, maybe even makes it such that someone likely has to bribe others to get into office in the first place or the pay being so horrible that no one could live off of being a legislator if it wasn't for taking bribes. It could become an open secret that legislators all take bribes. However, it just so happens that only those that do things that displease you are every actually investigated and found guilty of accepting bribes.

While much harder to manage another approach is to try to get a law passed which places requirements on the legislator's extended family to meet some moral/legal/genetic/religious standards. Noone has a perfect family so if you look hard enough your find some blacksheep you can use as grounds to remove those you dislike.

One example would be to say that any immediate family caught taking bribes of receiving any benefit that could be deemed nepotism results in the legislator being removed. This is one of the few examples that seems somewhat likely to be accepted by the US, since you can claim it's an attempt to combat corrupt legislators using their family as middlemen for bribes. Again it's likely someone in the extended family would be tempted to exploit their family member's position if you look hard enough, especially if you can bait them by offering a bribe and then arresting them if they take it. if you phrase your definition of 'nepotism' generically enough you can all but guarantee the ability to remove legislators since there are always some unintentional perks to having a famous/powerful relative even if someone isn't trying to exploit them which you can claim was intentional corruption.

Have strong veto powers

If you can veto every law the congress ever passes then let them have fun bickering all they like, nothing they do will ever affect you if you don't want it to. The US probably will not accept a 100% veto power, but there is plenty of room to give a strong veto authority to yourself if necessary.

Focus on some form of Pocket Veto, that doesn't require explicit vetoing something, as it's easier to put it in the constitution without people noticing/complaining as much, and it's a little less likely to create anger in your allies if you simply fail to pass a legislation then if your blatantly veto everything.

Propaganda is your Friend, anyone that doesn't love Propaganda is a traitor to his state

Control of propaganda is a major feature of all dictatorships. if you can control the news and information that filters down to everyday citizens well enough you can convince them you are great and powerful and doing everything in their interest and that they should want to vote for you. This may all be lies, but if you can control their information enough they won't know it.

Similarly propaganda that paints dissidents and those that vote against your party lines as evil, non-patriotic, traitorous, etc will help ensure the public votes the way you want. Creating an environment where everyday citizens police other citizens into following your doctrine is great!

Finding a shared enemy to fight helps allot with this. Be it the Sunni/Shiat/whatever faiths, Communists, Illegal Immigrants, 'The West', or evil reptile men if you paint some group as out to destroy you and everyone needing to band together to defeat them your get people far more willing to go along with the party line to spite those evil whoever.

Help your friends to get elected to the legislature

Create a system where you can support the election of those you know will vote the way you want helps you to rig things in your favor. At the smallest level this could simply mean having your already well developed propaganda network telling everyone that one person should be voted for over another, if your good at propaganda, and any dictator must be, you can greatly sway votes for the ones you choose to win.

Another good option is setting up limits on how people can campaign, such as how much money they can spend on campaigning, when public speeches can be had, etc etc. The more you can regulate the ability to campaign the more you can then shift things around to favor the campaigns of those you choose to win. At minimum making it harder to campaign means that citizens have less information available to help select who to vote for and are thus more likely to listen to your propaganda, as the only available information source, for who they should vote for.

Those that vote your way get extra rewards

Create a system where you can easily reward those in the legislature body you like. You probably can't just give them money, too blatant, but you could perhaps have some sort of cabinet/advisor/figurehead roles you can allocate as you please, which happen to have good pay and require very little work, which by chance seem to always go to those who do as you ask.

Having cushy jobs for those who leave office after x years that you can give out to those who were well behaved also works well here. You can claim your just utilizing those with experience ruling to do these jobs, but if can be an unspoken fact that these are pretty much empty, or just easy, jobs provided as rewards

It's hard to vote

Make it hard to vote for everyone to lower the total number of votes and then create incentives for those you want to vote to vote for you. The more you can limit the total number of people that vote the easier it is to 'ballot stuff' votes going whatever way you want since there are fewer negative votes to counteract.

Have means to shift elections forward/backwards slightly

being able to delay elections even slightly can be a strong windfall. If populous movement is swelling against you currently just delay the vote for a month or two to give your propaganda time to settle everything. In best case get a constitution that says that your have a vote within ever 'x years' but don't specify exactly when the vote happens. When things are going your way have votes slightly more frequently (ie a few months early) then your constitution requires, say your such a good sport that your being proactive when voting. What your really doing is giving yourself some 'wiggle room' to push back votes when you need time to do some diplomatting.

You can do anything in absence of a law saying otherwise

There are all kinds of systems you can put in place that give you the right to enact 'policies' when you need to, such that you can effectively do whatever you want unless the law explicitly says otherwise. Get in as liberal a 'policy' setting scheme as possible, usually by simply 'forgetting' to list powers that you don't have, listing only powers the legislature does have, and then after the constitution is passed you simply argue you can do anything that isn't explicitly against what you said the legislature could do.

This means you can enact your own 'laws' on the fly to do anything you need, including doing things to help you keep power like creating a law tailored to getting some dissident(s) arrested, last minute gerrymandering, messing with or punishing legislatures that don't vote your way etc etc.

Encourage the legislation to not do anything

Create a system where no laws are passed and then your effectively have full power. There are lots of ways to do this. One of the simplest is to limit the amount of time they have to work, build in lots of time when your legislation isn't in office, systems that allow people to get payed for doing minimum work when in office, even trying to make it such that any vote they do make is likely to lead to someone being angry at them so that it's safer to not vote then vote.

Going along with this have a policy where it's hard to get votes passed. Maybe instead of a 50% majority you need a 2/3 majority to pass a bill. Maybe you intentionally create a system where it's absurdly easy to fillibuster and if a discussion goes too long the bill will be dismissed, or just not voted on until the next legislature meeting. This means effectively one person can stop any law being passed, get one person on your side to fillibuster anything you don't like and no laws are passed and, in the absence of laws, you get to do whatever you want.

Laws naturally expire rapidly if not voted to be renewed

If you can create a system that gives you power in the absence of laws then any law is your enemy. Letting laws naturally expire removes laws and thus expands your freedom. Having laws expire rapidly helps to clear the books of laws sooner, and thus expand your power-base. If there was a particular you really dislike that somehow got passed you only have to live with it for a little while before it expires. It also can busy your legislative body with spending much of their time simply renewing existing laws instead of creating new ones you may not like.

It's possible for the legislature to remove existing laws before they expire

This is more iffy, but having a way to remove existing laws can be another means of removing laws your unhappy with. if they manage to get one enacted wait until you can replace, or apply sufficient pressure on, those that voted for the law then encourage the legislature to vote to repeal it. Actually It's probably better to simply write the constitution in such a way that it's easy to write a new law that overwrites the existing law, but the concept is the same. You can push them to remove a law faster if you don't like the results.

Give them some actual power in areas you just don't care about

All the tricks above could work, but remember if your being pressured to do this you need to do more then just create a constitution, you need the US to accept the constitution, and you need to give enough of an appearance of it working that they don't come back and pressure you to change the constitution all over again in a year.

The best option here is to give the legislature some actual power, just make sure it's power you don't really care about. This probably means allowing them to enact minor laws that affect the every day citizens, cut which you would never bother with because they are so minor details you wouldn't have time to micromanage them.

Creating a system where they can make decisions but you can implicitly override them somehow if you really hate them helps. One idea is to say you give 'grants' for intended uses that the legislature can then choose how to divvy up and spend. So you may say that you have granted this much money to be spent on education and let them bicker and fight over what schools get the money etc, most of the time you may not care about this as it's too low level for you.

of course there is a chance that they may decide something you really hate, like all the education money should be spent to teach students how great first world countries are doing and how much your leadership sucks in comparison. If that happens you don't veto that law, but you do drop the amount you are granting for education to some trivial amount, rendering how they divvy up the money a moot point since there is nothing to spend. Then you create a new money grant to spend money on say "continuing the educational superiority over those other countries". Extensible it's a new grant, in reality it's an education grant, but with some extra verbiage in how you write it that happens to restrict it from being used in the one way you want it.

Most of the time, if you write these money grants well, and your legislature knows to keep you pleased, they will spend the grants in a way that doesn't upset you much, mostly because you don't care to micromanage how that money is spent anyways so you would have let someone make that decision it may as well be them. It will look to outsiders like your system is working great, money is being granted out and the legislature is having a very real affect on how it's spent. But you have put in a loophole that allows you to undo their decision if it ever upsets you, in a subtle enough way that you don't create the outrage that a veto would create.

The more you can actually exploit this body to all the stuff you don't want to micromanage anyways, while keeping ways to undo anything that truly upsets you, the more you can keep the US happy about your legislature without giving up anything you really want.

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  • Make the political parties weak. If each candidate has to manage a campaign on his own, without an established party structure, he has to find funding and deal with special interests. So primaries are necessary, and running against his own party should be the main challenge to getting into the legislature.
  • Individual electoral districts with a first-past-the-fencepost system will encourage a two-party system. While there is something to be said for a weak and splintered opposition, you'd rather want to limit the chances of newcomer parties. So any new guy has to deal with one of the established parties first.
  • Take the right to initiate budget laws (and others) away from the legislature. Make it so the executive writes laws and the legislature can only say yes or no to the whole package. "Do you want to vote against food for the poor? No? Then you have to approve the budget!"
  • Allow the person who writes the law (see above) to bundle unrelated things into it. Fire safety and pension reform law. Give the laws names that make it hard to argue against it. Anybody Who Disagrees Is A Traitor Act sounds so much better than Law to Reform Section 1234 of the Income Tax Code.
  • The president should not be dependent on a vote of (no) confidence in the legislature, of course.
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The solution to democracy is more democracy.

Make the legislature big. The more people you have talking at once the less it matters what any of them are trying to say. "To keep legislators responsible to their constituents we need small districts."

Support minor parties. Provide assistance to anyone forming a new party or spiting off from an existing party. Use election mechanics designed to prevent large party domination. "It's your government."

Provide strong guarantees of representation to many disparate groups. Those 10 families in the swamp behind the capital are a protected minority now and get to send a representative to the legislature. "Civil rights are important to us."

Encourage local issues. Make it easy for citizens to petition the legislature and require them to be debated. "Every voice should be heard."

Ignore them

Hopefully this will mean they can't get anything meaningful passed, but still the government needs to do work[citation needed] so provisional policy, temporary measures and interim appointments will be enactable by executive recommendation.

Let them be subject to a legislative veto or over-turnable by a more or less independent judiciary on a case by case basis. And if you have enough diversity in your legislature you can even require them to be based on something that has been debated.

To minimize the risk make sure that the review process is long, and limit the ability of previous outcomes to influence new cases. ie It takes two months to repeal rules you make but two hours to make a different enough version to restart the clock.

Stay on top

You obviously don't want to risk losing an election, so make president an appointed position. But be sure the people who select the people who make the appointment are chosen by you. Say the executive selection committee is chosen by lottery from the legislature in a drawing overseen by the (interim) minister of elections; your daughter-in-law's cousin.

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Some of the examples others have given (Iran, China) are good starting points, but they rely on a cabal/party to rule; you're looking at one person.

The first step is to secure the power of the executive (you).

  • Give the president effectively unlimited veto power (maybe allow the legislature to override it by an unrealistic margin, like 3/4 or higher)
  • Give the executive's decrees the force of law.
  • Give the executive control of the judiciary, including the power to dismiss judges

The second step is to make sure the legislature can't do anything practical.

  • If the country has discrete ethnic groups or tribes, embed in the constitution the right of the minority groups to have at least a certain level of representation. Make it out of proportion to their actual population in the country, and make sure they know that they have you to thank for it.
  • Make sure you can overrule any law the legislature passes.

Keep strong control of the military. Make sure that there is good representation of ethnic/tribal minorities in the military, and keep minority generals on your armed forces council. Do not let them become independent warlords, however. Make sure the armed forces are personally loyal to you and you alone.

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Require an 100% or at least a very large supermajority (80%, 90%) of the legislature to overturn vetoes. That would give the executive quite a bit of power.

To elaborate a bit on this: a way to give extreme power to an executive should have properties such as (1) not transparently unfair to specific groups in the population (2) a modification of an accepted (in the U.S. for instance) practice that balances power between legislatures and the executive (3) gives the executive a great deal of influence over the legislative branch and (4) does not give so much power to the executive that they can drive the nation to the brink of revolution without any feasible way for the population to 'push back' on the executive.

In the U.S. there are several mechanisms to balance power between the judicial, legislative and executive branches and also to impede chaotic changes in the government. These include the hard requirements for amending the constitution (2/3 vote in both houses of congress, then 3/4 of states to ratify).

One of these nice balancing acts is the requirement that 2/3 of each house are required to override a veto. Apparently less than 10% of presidential vetoes are overridden. But we would expect that a (quasi) dictator would get more push back from the congress. So raising the requirement even a bit would allow the dictator-to-be to block almost anything (and give them a lot of bargaining power for legislation they want). A high enough requirement for an override would make the congress almost advisory. HOWEVER, by allowing some possibility of override, you could protect the dictator from his/herself, as there would be a way for the population to force through laws if they were overwhelmingly popular.

It would be hard for the U.S. (and other countries) to object to an 80% or 90% override limit, because it would just seem to be a quantitatively-slight deviation from what is practiced in other democracies.

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I immediately thought of the Sejm, the parliament under the Poland-Lithuania commonwealth from the mid-1500s to the 1790s when it disappeared. There was a King, but the Sejm could also pass laws and get things done without the King...but there was a mighty big barrier to doing so.

The Sejm had one session each year lasting for six weeks. All decisions on resolutions made by the Sejm has to be unanimous. A single person could veto any resolutions. By the 1600s, all resolutions in the Sejm were considered part of one large single resolution. That meant the Sejm also had to come to a unanimous decision on everything during the session or any other decisions they had made during the session would become annulled.

By that time, virtually any nobleman (and Poland-Lithuania had a large amount of nobility compared to other countries, most of them being quite minor) could attend a Sejm meeting and vote. Needless to say, very little tended to get done because any one person could torpedo the entire session by exercising a veto. Amazingly, there were sessions where things did get done: they just had to work together to find the bare minimum that everyone (and delegates numbered in the hundreds or even thousands) could agree on.

Anyone who wanted the Sejm to get nothing done could simply have a loyal delegate veto every resolution. The King and the powerful magnates who had the actual power didn't have much to fear from the Sejm.

They abolished this system in 1791, and the surrounding countries of Russia, Prussia, and Austria immediately decided to pounce on Poland-Lithuania, dividing it among themselves before a functioning system could emerge.

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  • $\begingroup$ The last sentence sounds like just that system was what left Poland-Lithuania alive so long? $\endgroup$ – Paŭlo Ebermann May 13 '17 at 9:40
  • $\begingroup$ The King and powerful magnates were able to raise a fairly powerful army (mainly cavalry) and the neighbors didn't have the strength to overwhelm the country. As time went on, horse-mounted lancers became less effective vs better muskets and artillery. Also, the neighbors became better organized and more powerful. The kings also became weaker over time, and by the 1700s, power lay mainly in the hands of powerful regional magnates. Those magnates squabbled among each other and were easily bribed, leaving the country weak and vulnerable to foreign aggression. $\endgroup$ – Kevin Peter May 15 '17 at 18:21
  • $\begingroup$ Both a weak king and a weak legislature meant there was no effective central government, leaving Poland-Lithuania ripe for exploitation. $\endgroup$ – Kevin Peter May 15 '17 at 18:29

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