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Lets say I have a person who can teleport to areas he knows well or has direct line of sight of.

He is trying to travel a long distance without a vehicle of any type. He can teleport as far as he can see, reorient himself, then teleport again to rapidly cover distance.

Assuming it takes about a second to reorient himself between teleports, during which time he is simply walking forward, what travel speed can he realistically manage? For now lets say he is traveling along a road like a highway.

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    $\begingroup$ On a perfectly round Earth a reasonably tall teleporter will see horizon in about 7 to 8 kilometers. $\endgroup$
    – user58697
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    $\begingroup$ Does he only need line-of-sight, or does he need to visually focus on the exact destination? Could he teleport to one of the planets that are visible in the night sky? What about during the daytime? What about, say, the moons of Jupiter (which are easily visible with binoculars)? $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 1:55
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    $\begingroup$ This could lead to a fairly grisly situation: teleporter teleports to a planet orbiting a star 10,000 light years away... but the star went supernova 5,000 years ago... woops! $\endgroup$
    – user15334
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    $\begingroup$ ...which explains why there are so few teleporters around these days. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 2:47
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    $\begingroup$ When he is in a dense fog, could he only teleport a few meters? $\endgroup$
    – Philipp
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Geometry Man is here to save the day!

Geometry Man

Fig 1. Geometry Man! (Does whatever a geometry can.)


Although your question has sparked a few questions, you did actually specify a simple scenario that I believe makes your question relatively unambiguous:

for now lets say he is traveling along a road like a highway.

Thus I'll add the following hopefully reasonable assumptions:

  • He's on a spherical planet with Earth-like diameter
  • It's a clear day with an Earth-like atmosphere
  • His eyesight is normal
  • The highway is "flat" (constant elevation, but of course follows planet's natural curvature)
  • The highway follows a geodesic segment (such as the equator), although unless he's very tall, this won't matter much.

Given that, see Fig 1. We can boil down how far Geometry Man can see (and thus, how far he can teleport), into a simple formula. From algebra, you know $a^2 + b^2 = c^2$ (the Pythagorean theorem). Let the hypotenuse ($c$) be $r+h$ (see Fig 1). With a little simple algebra, we can get $d$, the distance Geometry Man can see, as follows:

$$d^2 + r^2 = (r+h)^2$$

$$d = \sqrt{h^2 + 2rh}$$

$r$ is the radius of the planet. Earth's radius is 6,371,000 m. $h$ is Geometry Man's height—more specifically, how far his eyes are off the ground—probably about 1.6 m. Plug that all in, and you get $d = 4520\,m \approx 4.5\,km$, which is the maximum distance he can teleport over flat ground on an Earth-like planet under ideal conditions.

As a velocity

Given he can teleport once per second, the conversion to a velocity is simple: Geometry Man can travel $d$ every second, so he can go 4520 m/sec, which is about 16272 km/h.

Obviously, this is the ideal top speed using this method. The other answers of "look at a galaxy far far away!" are also interesting (and funny!), however you did specify a "highway" scenario, so hopefully I've given you the essential information here.

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    $\begingroup$ +1 for "geometry man does whatever geometry can" ("can he make, seven red lines, no he can't, you are dumb; look out: it's geometry man!") (reference: youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg) $\endgroup$
    – iAdjunct
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    $\begingroup$ Expanding on your assumptions and looking at some real-world highways, by increasing his sight distance he could go even faster! He could jump between each teleport, gaining maybe 30-50cm eye-height from ground level. He could also look for nearby elevated areas such as hills or buildings to increase his range dramatically. $\endgroup$
    – iraserd
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    $\begingroup$ Geometry Man, on a daring move, looks up and teleports to a alto-stratus cloud (6,100 m) first - then immediately jumps to a point roughly 279km away! $\endgroup$
    – OnoSendai
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    $\begingroup$ FYI, that's about Mach 13.3. During ascent to orbit, the Space Shuttle used to reach a speed of 28000 km/h. So our teleporting person can go about 60% as fast as the Shuttle used to. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 18:12
  • $\begingroup$ Geometry man can also rotate a 1 meter long pole through a full 360 degree turn in a confined space with an area of about $1 * 10^{-15} m^{2}$ youtube.com/watch?v=j-dce6QmVAQ (note: I have forgotten the exact area, its in the video somewhere) $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 18:51
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Look for the nearest hill, go to the peak, then go to the nearest mountain peak, then the 7-8km horizon distance is irrelevant. From the mountain you can see the whole highway laid out below you and jump to the end. So the answer to your question depends entirely on local topography. (Why would you follow a "highway" if you can teleport, it's like a petrol driven car carrying hay for the horse. As long as you can see the highway from the hill/mountain you can jump to any point along it.)

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Is momentum and energy conserved?

See Niven's article in either Playgrounds of the Mind or N-Space where he discusses the various ramifications.

If you go east you arrive with an upward velocity relative to the surface and bounce into the air. Going west you are moving into the ground. Going north or south you arrive moving sideways.

What if your destination is higher than you are? Where does the energy come from? If lower, where does it go?

How much can he take with him? Does he arrive naked? Especially when learning?

If energy is not conserved, Can he step into a lake, and teleport himself and the lake to much higher lake that supplies a mill?

If he's fast can he teleport a large mass of water (or a big rock) above a castle and teleport back?

If he knows a location and can visualize it precisely can he go there directly (aka Pern's dragons)

What happens if there is something there when he arrives? E.g. it's raining? (You suddenly have raindrop sized chunks of you that have twice the density. Any idea how much energy is stored to compress water to twice it's density?)

Is there a thunder clap when he leaves? What about the air when he arrives? Or does he just swap places with a volume at the destination?

If so, can a non teleporter move in the counter direction to a teleporter by standing at his destination?

If he can counterteleport, this gives him another way to fight. Go to the neighborhood of the enemy castle. Teleport into the air above the castle. Teleport into the wall. A statue of himself appears where he was. A several hundred pound statue of himself falls on the castle. Rinse and repeat.

Suppose it takes longer to 'recharge' between jumps. Is there an advantage to building towers with shock absorbers that will allow him to take longer jumps?

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  • $\begingroup$ And for another look at teleportation bound by conservation laws: Vernor Vinge, The Witling. Most long distance transportation is via teleporting boat--you use the water to absorb the velocity differential. Since there are limits to what you or the boat can take it's done via a chain of lakes. (Said lakes are artificial--some really powerful guys teleported in rocks from the moons. Energy is conserved, they hit at orbital velocity and the lowered potential energy shows up as a vast amount of heat, also.) $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 1:15
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Best Case senario

He can go 7-8 kilometres a second, around 420-480 kilometres a minute So his hourly speed will be 25200-28800 kilometres an hour!

The Reality

The statistics above assume that the earth is flat which it is not. There are many details that will affect his speed depending on his route.

  • Oceans; I don't know how his ability will work with bodies of water either he will be teleported to the top of the water or the bottom, if the latter is true you can expect his speed to lower depending on the depth of the ocean.
  • Mountains; Obviously he will need around two extra seconds to get over the mountains, slightly lowering his speed.
  • Forests; Because of the trees he will only be able to move at the best of times a mile a second.
  • Jungles; In the jungles, his ability will be completely useless. Line of sight in jungles is barely 10 feet in front of you.
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    $\begingroup$ "Line of sight in jungles is barely 10 feet in front of you." Only if you're on the ground. Climbing isn't an issue if you can just teleport to the top of a tree, and once you're above the canopy you should be able to see a much greater distance. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 14:28
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Not a fully descriptive answer, but if he/she could teleport to a point in the sky, that would have a very cool visual effect.

He's standing on spotX, looks up and pahzwoesh he's 5km up. Then depending if some momentum gets carried with the teleport, he either continues a bit further upwards or fall about 10m, before flashing some distance forward (slightly upward to correct the 1 seconds gravity drops).

"Hey, did I just see someo...? No apparently not."

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    – david
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    $\begingroup$ *Poof* AHHHHHHHHH *Poof* ahhhhhhh *Poof* ahhhh $\endgroup$
    – AndyD273
    Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 19:56
  • $\begingroup$ On a side note, this was going to be my answer. Teleport up high and then forward until you get to your destination, then down to the ground. +1 $\endgroup$
    – AndyD273
    Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 19:58
  • $\begingroup$ Sounds hazardous if you keep your old momentum after teleporting (which I suppose you must, to track the rotation of the earth). You could try to arrive upside-down at your next step so your momentum is upward and you have two seconds to invert again (except on the last step where you both want to arrive right-side-up and with zero(ish) momentum). I don't know how easy it would be to do this without instruments. I also don't know how easy it would be to arrive upside-down. But I don't even know how to teleport, so I really don't know much at all. $\endgroup$
    – sh1
    Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 20:14
  • $\begingroup$ Hmm. If you had parachutes, then accuracy is far less important. Momentum conservation also is less important. Hitting air with a relative speed of 100 mph is doable. Hitting ground at that speed requires magical equivalent of a star-trek structural integrity field. If 20,000 feet is you upper limit, then a line of sight is around 250 miles (For earth square root of altitude in feet ~= horizon in miles, it's rough but close enough for WB) Using the parachute as an air brake, you could repeat this with an open chute assuming you can take the whole open chute with you. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 24, 2016 at 16:04
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The resulting discussions above give him too great a velocity for good storytelling. The process needs limits. I would suggest some combination

  • re-orienting process take longer.
  • the distance per hop is shorter. (He has to be able to see clearly that nothing is in his way.
  • it's tiring. Only a few hops per meal.

A: How clearly must be be able see the destination? If his perception of the destination is fuzzy is he likely to come out in the air, or underground, or with grass running through his legs?

B: Is it like running: A skill that requires endurence and attention to form.

C: Better story if there are risks to using it. What happens if too tired. What happens when two people come in at the same time.

D: Much as with transporter and replicator technology in the StarTrek universe, can someone who can teleport also transmute? Make bread from a stone? Water from sand?

E: In Zenna Henderson's stories of The People, a distinction was made between lifting yourself, lifting living things, and living inanimate objects. Would this sort of thing apply to teleporting. E.g. Can I 'grok' a rock and teleport it to a position over someone's head. Or out from under their feet. Can I move YOU while I stay here?

F: Can less gifted people teleport smaller objects. E.g. teleport a key from the other side of the door to this side?

G: Combined with other gifts: can I fill a water jug from an underground aquifer, if I can sense the water? Can I teleport your heart somewhere else, leaving your body behind? Or teleport a large bubble of air into your veins, or teleport your brain. (Zombie teleporters....)


In one of James Schmidt's stories the heroine is telekinetic -- but her maximum lift is a large paperclip. In one story this gets her a bobby pin to pick handcuffs.

Larry Niven's stories of Gil Hamilton he has lost an arm, but has a psychic arm with the distance limitations of reach of an arm. But he can reach through a 2-way Televiewer.

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The fastest possible speed between points would be the speed of light. The time needed to "energize" and reconstitute between jumps is not given, but if we follow the convention of Star Trek of 2-3 seconds for the actual conversion, the speed of light transportation between points and your one second to reorientate, then each "hop" will take 4-5 seconds max, plus whatever fraction of a second needed to travel between points (using the example of Earth, your maximum "line of sight" hop to the horizon is no more than about 5km).

Things are a little more complicated if we take the "line of sight" at face value. The Moon is just a bit over a light second away, so teleporting from your front porch to the Sea of Tranquility will now take from 4-5 seconds (A second to orientate, 2-3 seconds for the mechanics of teleportation and then a second to transit to the Moon; rounding down to keep the numbers simple). Since many of the planets are visible in the night sky, there seems to be no reason you can't beam to Venus or Saturn, although you will now run into some pretty interesting travel times, which could run into hours depending on where the planets are in alignment to each other. (A quick trip to the Sun would take 8 minutes, for example).

You really start running into difficulty if you can extend "line of sight" to the stars. For Alpha Centauri, you will take 2-3 seconds to convert to teleportation mode, and an additional 4 years (126,227,704 seconds) to get there (rounded again). If you plan to take a teleportation trip to the Andromeda Galaxy , pack a lunch, it is 2.5 million light years away....

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    – Jorge Aldo
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    $\begingroup$ The question is flagged magic and teleportation. What does the speed of light have to do with it? $\endgroup$
    – T.J.L.
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    $\begingroup$ I postulate that the "speed of magic," m is precisely equal to the speed of light, c such that causality is preserved, but which says "bugger off" to entropy. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 15:26
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That depends on the road.

On a long, straight one, extending until the horizon, a few kilometers in one second, some 8000 to 15000 kilometers/second.

On a twisting road, teleport to the furthest visible point, reorient, teleport again, etc. Still faster than most vehicles (100 to 500 m/s).

Longer distances mean less precision: from a 10 km distance or more, it's hard to see the road, and harder to pinpoint the exact place to arrive. Expect errors of tens of meters, just from involuntary eye movements, with potentially catastrophic results (like merging with a tree).

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Travel at the speed of light for even a microsecond and from your point of view you have reached the end of the universe and all space has contracted to nought. So you certainly could not be teleporting at the speed of light.

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  • $\begingroup$ Actually if traveling at the speed of light, then any distance is instantaneous travel (meaning there's no difference in relative time for the traveler). You don't necessarily need to travel to the end of the Universe. Also it appears the OP is looking for magical means not just scientific. $\endgroup$
    – Jim2B
    Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 16:43

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