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I am working on a fictional story, but I want to have a few accurate scientifically accurate (or as close as possible) situations. Question one is: if a person falling at full terminal velocity, or higher speeds, was somehow grabbed (by the torso region) and the grabber turned the falling person from a vertical angle to 45 positive degrees horizontal (opposite the side they were falling), could that redirection keep the falling person survive if they landed with a roll after the redirection.

(that's the best way to describe it, but to clarify, imagine someone falling straight down to a character's right, the standing character grabs the falling person on the right, redirects them toward the left at a horizontal angle and instead of going for a direct 90 degree shift the instead to a 45 degree (or any angle between 45 and 90) would the falling person be able to survive this sort of redirection?)

My guess, is that if the catcher could survive the obvious force of the falling person without his/her arms tearing off, that the person who got redirected (if done properly) should be able to survive the force as it would change from a sudden stop of great force to a slightly more controlled landing, and could be even more survivable if they rolled to a stop.

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  • $\begingroup$ Worldbuilding is hardly a better fit for this question. The question describes a specific situation in a real world and asks about both physics and medicine. Subsequently, analyzing physical part of this question leads to a conclusion that medicine can not help here. $\endgroup$
    – Alexander
    Commented Jan 23, 2018 at 23:48
  • $\begingroup$ You may be interested in the closely related discussion here. $\endgroup$
    – smatterer
    Commented Jan 24, 2018 at 5:10

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I'm afraid you'll have to come up with a different solution.

We can consider that the catcher at first brakes the fall before redirecting the person (pure redirection has already been considered by Eddy), but, although the situation is improved, it turns out that the forces involved are still too high.

From Torricelli's equation, a reduction in speed from $v_i$ to $v_f$ over a distance $\Delta x$ requires an acceleration $a$ (constant, in order to avoid peaks) with magnitude given by

$$ a_{\mathrm{brake}} = \frac{|v_f^2-v_i^2|}{2\Delta x}. $$

Pure redirection requires $a_c=v^2/r$, so, using $r\sim \Delta x \sim 1$m, we see that redirecting implies $a\approx v^2$, while for braking only half as much is needed ($a_{\mathrm{brake}}\sim v^2/2$), which is an improvement.

The free fall speed is about $55$ m/s and if we assume that a skillful enough person can roll to safety from $100\,$km/h $\approx 30\,$m/s, than the braking acceleration will be

$$a_{\mathrm{brake}}\approx\frac{55^2-30^2}{2}\approx 1000\,\mathrm{m/s}^2 \approx 100g,$$ while the redirecting acceleration that follows will be $a_c\approx 30^2=900\,\mathrm{m/s}^2 \approx 90g$.

While not as bad as pure redirection ($\sim 300g$), that still corresponds to too much of a force (especially when concentrated on relatively small areas of the body) for serious damage to be avoidable.

If you allow your hero to jump upwards and start braking the victim mid-air some $\Delta x\sim 10\,$m above the ground, then the required acceleration becomes $a_{\mathrm{brake}}\approx 10g$, which is more acceptable.

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  • $\begingroup$ my general idea is that if the person was falling, and the catcher managed to grab hold of the falling person with enough speed and strength (it is a fictional situation) and redirect the momentum with an arching motion which is also fast enough and smooth enough to cause the motion to transition to the horizontal direction that the downward force should be able to be negated or redirected to forward momentum if the catcher simply grabbed the falling person and tried to move them horizontally without an arching motion obviously the downward force would still splatter the falling person. $\endgroup$
    – Flamesofshadow
    Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 3:35
  • $\begingroup$ an example because i cant find a graph, or figure out how to post one, is if a super hero (flash as example) was running downward on a building, if he actually went straight down he would die from the momentum of going straight as he wouldnt be able to actually change direction at a road (90 degree angle), but if the wall was curved properly, he could survive as the downward momentum, is still there but the direction was changed. if that method is taken into consideration but used for a free fall scenario it seems as though it should somehow work realistically. $\endgroup$
    – Flamesofshadow
    Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 3:39
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    $\begingroup$ @Flamesofshadow When I say "Pure redirection requires $a=v^2/r$", I mean unavoidably: if you don't put in enough force to cause this acceleration $a$, then the movement simply can't be curved enough to prevent the collision with the ground. I added a suggestion to the answer that might be an acceptable solution. $\endgroup$
    – stafusa
    Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 11:29
  • $\begingroup$ it makes sense so i added it as the answer. thanks for that $\endgroup$
    – Flamesofshadow
    Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 15:27
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Let's suppose that the person is grabbed at a full arms length away from the 'catcher'. The eqation for centripetal acceleration (the acceleration experienced when moving along an arc of a circle) is $$ a=\frac{v^2} {r} $$ where $v$ is the speed of the object, in our case the terminal velocity of a human $v \approx 53m/s$, and $r$ the radius of the circle, in our case the length of an arm $r \approx 1m$. Thus $$ a \approx \frac{53^2} {1} m/s^2 = 2809 m/s^2 \approx 286g $$ where $g \approx 9.81 m/s^2$ is the acceleration due to gravity. For reference, an untrained human can black out from accelerations around $5g$ see here for details. Thus I would conclude that the 'catcher' would not be able to provide anything like enough force, either achieving nothing or, if they grabbed hold, loosing all their fingers. The faller would carry on moving as if nothing had happened. If the catcher was some kind of super hero that could provide enough force, the fallers body would be torn apart by the force, if grabbed by the torso probably loosing head, arms and legs, and possibly the torso would also disintegrate.

Edit: If the faller has a mass of $m \approx 80kg$ then the force required to perform this manoeuvre is $$ F = ma \approx 80 * 286g = 22880g $$ which is the weight of an object of mass $22880kg \approx 23 tonnes$. Thus the catcher would have to be able to support (ie pick up) such a mass with their arm, and the faller support such a mass with whatever part of their body they are caught by.

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