Timeline for Zero Privacy: Culture
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| Sep 25, 2022 at 8:56 | comment | added | blademan9999 | @Murphy Ahh... But remember, the regime only has a finite number of people with which to watch the videos generated of people's behaviour, so they won't spot everything. | |
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| Sep 12, 2018 at 21:42 | comment | added | JBH | @user4239, oh good grief. People will never cease to surprise me. I concede the point. :-) | |
| Sep 12, 2018 at 20:08 | comment | added | user4239 | @JBH - washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/06/26/… . You were saying? | |
| Sep 12, 2018 at 19:40 | comment | added | JBH | @user4239, Aren't most of those people thinking post-Stalin stable economy? If we suggest going back to Stalinist Russia, wouldn't you get a 100% no vote (or, perhaps more accurately, you'd better question the motives of anyone who wants it)? | |
| Sep 12, 2018 at 18:55 | comment | added | user4239 | @JBH - you are aware that a sizeable portion (if not outright majority) of older people in Russia now want to live back in USSR, according to polls, right? (I don't, but I didn't even back then, hence me ending up on the other side of Iron Curtain) | |
| Sep 12, 2018 at 17:49 | comment | added | JBH | @user4239 I can't fault your observation of our youth: but that joyous bliss would only last until it was used against them - until the population begins to feel forced to behave a certain way because "Big Brother" really is always watching them. I need only look at populations who lived under a "your neighbor knows everything" context (communist russia, china, nazi germany, north korea... I know I'm preaching to the choir, btw) to see it'll be a dystopia. | |
| Sep 12, 2018 at 17:40 | comment | added | user4239 | @JBH - that's because you're not used to such life. Trust me, first generation that grows up with it would NOT see it as a dystopia, just like twitter generation doesn't see their world as one whereas I do (can destroy anyone in a moment) | |
| Sep 12, 2018 at 17:19 | comment | added | JBH | Better government? Giving all that power to a small group of people will result in better government? The whole concept is Orwelian by definition. Where you see a utopia, I see a disaster leading to the Butlerian Jihad. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 10:30 | comment | added | nigel222 | For fiction presenting a pretty much opposite and pessimistic view read Vinge'S excellent "a Deepness in the Sky". FWIW my personal view is the same. Zero privacy would lead inevitably to complete collapse of society. | |
| Jun 25, 2015 at 9:09 | comment | added | clem steredenn | I am not sure there would be tests at school: what is the point of tests ? See the knowledge/understanding of the students in a controlled (and supposedly fair) way. You give them homework, and can check that they respected the conditions required for the homework, i.e. no internet, no external help. | |
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| Apr 3, 2015 at 16:27 | comment | added | Cronax | A lot of the people in these comments are missing the point of the question, this is a post-transition society, people have already adjusted to knowing everything about one another. During the transition, people who differ from 'the norm' will get trouble and some 'Gordon Deitrich' style people will be likely to crop up, but once the dust settles and the rate of 'deviancy' becomes clear, I don't see how people would be able to sustain their prejudices since they will find out that these supposed deviants are mostly just the same as everyone else. | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 13:36 | comment | added | Teemu Leisti | @DavidMulder & JeromeJ: I see your point. I misunderstood Jerome's comment. | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 2:00 | comment | added | Alex Celeste | A government like NK's could never survive in the world described above. NK gets away with murdering dissidents because it happens behind closed doors (sure they know it happens, but they can't say where, when or who exactly). When every single bullet fired and every single egotistical order of the leader is immediate public knowledge, the system would simply break down. There's no fear or awe left in it. Everybody knows everybody hates the leadership ("the slaves would know how numerous they are"). | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 22:09 | comment | added | CoolCurry | @DVK. I did read your answer, and I think you fundamentally misunderstand the term. Overbearing parents don't even need to be worried about drugs or alcohol - I have a friend whose mother doesn't allow her to make Bs and applies tremendous pressure on her. Overbearing parents could easily look into their child's lives and criticize whatever mild flaws they find. I know other people who are gay but haven't told their parents. The ability for their parents to instantly "know" would be horrible for them. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 12:28 | comment | added | Neil | @JeromeJ I agree with you. This isn't a utopia so much as a dystopia. While I wouldn't claim that there aren't benefits to such a system, you would definitely see more of a 1984 "Big Brother" world. Double-plus bad. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 12:00 | comment | added | jeromej | @TeemuLeisti It isn't that, but all his points are subject to big interpretation (IMO, and on purpose or not, idk). To me it seems hard not seeing the other side of the medal, omitting it completely feels wrong. This post sounded like selling something for what it isn't. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 11:59 | comment | added | David Mulder | @TeemuLeisti I think JeromeJ is simply pointing out that the picture sketched in this answer is an extremely short sighted one and does not account for long term effects like the ones stated by Murphy | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 11:28 | comment | added | Teemu Leisti | @Murphy: Indeed. The answer presumes that the viewing technology would be equally available to everyone, but that need not be the case. Even though outsiders could peer into dictatorship, their leaders could presumably use the technology to keep the populations in line, including keeping the viewing gizmos only for themselves and the secret(ish) police. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 11:19 | comment | added | Teemu Leisti | @JeromeJ: You want to downvote because you don't like the idea of zero privacy? It seems you misunderstand the idea of this site. Neither the question nor the answer make any claims about the desireability of such a world. The idea is simply to explore the implications of zero privacy, for fictional purposes. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 10:36 | comment | added | Ceiling Gecko | All prosecutors lose their jobs. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 9:55 | comment | added | Murphy | The flip side of "you can't plot overthrow of the government anymore" is of course that if the government is a horrible evil one like NK then there's literally nothing you can do about it. Every political dissident can be spotted and killed, every twitch of the face while listening to the glorious leader is recorded. In western societies social norms get locked in, it's no longer safe to be secretly part of an unpopular group in private. (example: Every trans person is outed.) Votes can't be kept secret, people who vote for the wrong side can be shunned or otherwise subjected to punishment | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 4:47 | comment | added | David Mulder | -1 There is just so much wrong with this answer that I don't even know where to start. Fraud could still exist, as stopping fraud is about understanding, not knowledge. Same goes for a lot of corruption. Overthrowing governments would indeed be impossible, but the obvious consequence is not given in the answer, namely government misuse of it's power, because even if the population knows about it that's not going to allow them to stop it, as they don't have the power to do anything about it. And that's just considering point 7, don't feel like writing 6 more max-length comments. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 2:12 | comment | added | Cole Tobin | If there was no privacy and I wanted to put it behind me, I wouldn't be able to. Sure, some things today you can't get away from (criminal record, etc), but others (relationship stuff) you can if you commit. But with no privacy, everyone would know | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 0:39 | comment | added | Kevin | You've painted a very rosy picture. Frankly, I disagree that no privacy would be good for relationships. With no privacy, it becomes impossible to maintain boundaries about what you let people know about you, and all of a sudden, a vast majority of everyone's relationships are toxic because people know too much about each other. This isn't about our current expectations about privacy, but rather about keeping some people, especially the toxic kind we can relatively easily cut out of our lives now, far away enough from you to maintain a healthy relationship. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 23:55 | comment | added | Astravagrant | I think you've nailed it with a really excellent comprehensive answer. Could I ask you to add a bit about self-deception? I think this would take a big hit, too. p.s. +1 for referencing LOOD. A classic. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 23:28 | comment | added | congusbongus | Was it a typo or are you using the word truthiness ironically? | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 22:42 | comment | added | user4239 | @CoolCurry - did you read the same answer I wrote? The whole point was that the parents can be LESS helicopter and more hands-off BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO. If I know what my kids are doing without badgering them - I'll leave them be and badger them no more till there's a cause to badger them over. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 22:21 | comment | added | CoolCurry | Yeah, I think some of what you list as positives could also be negatives. For example, Point number four would be a huge boon to helicopter parents, but would suck for the kids. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 21:53 | comment | added | jeromej | Cannot believe what my eyes are reading but I haven't been active in this sub-SE yet so I don't have the rep to downvote. So… just sayin' then. I see so many ways things could go wrong. I will never (fully) plegde for zero privacy. | |
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