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It can't be done The essence of this challenge is that it's impossible - you generally should not expect to outsmart something much smarter than you nor overpower something much more powerful than you. A powerful AI would be 'controlled' by only our actions before it's formed, by defining the goals it "wants" to achieve. After it's "live" with sufficient ...

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Science fiction has done a disservice to the real science of artificial intelligence by implanting the notion that a sufficiently advanced and emerging sentient AI would necessarily be malevolent and in need of "control" by its "human masters". We have a word for the practice of keeping a self-deterministic, sentient, intelligent being under total control of ...

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Historically, militaristic castes - not even supersoldiers - ended up taking control of societies or organizations that created them. This shouldn't be surprising as they become essentially the same as any other skilled worker, your organization's viability and profitability relies upon them and they can substantially damage your reputation without anything ...

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You've got indoctrination in there, but think about the details of how that'd work. For maximum evil you need the people to not just root for the State but (1) to be terrified of it and (2) to be forced to think and act in its support including helping to root out other dissidents, rather than passively obeying the laws. A few models to look at in reality ...

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Asimov already addressed this within his own stories, and in the most realistic, and far least dystopian, manner then I've seen done by anyone else. The basic thing to remember is that humans must feel they are in charge. If they feel like pets kept around by the robots they will be unhappy. Forcing them into a 'perfect' world would make a dystopia for ...

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What would "the most extreme" be? Thought Reading and Thought Control. Often forgotten when listing freedoms is Freedom of Thought. Maybe it is considered so obvious few think it might be threatened but never the less: all other freedoms start with this one. It is no accident that Orwell created the concept of "Thought-crime", because knowing what people ...

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There is no fire without oxygen Take the phoenix ashes and store them in a vacuum. Or inside a chamber filled with Carbon Dioxide, Halon or some other fire suppressor. There is no ice without water Take the cryo-phoenix ashes (is it ashes?) and store them in a completely dehydrated space. A vacuum works again.

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This is an excellent question and I think Roger hit the nail on the head. I would say the 'control' we have would be the ethics we teach it to follow. An AI will act by how it is taught to interact with people and societies. Just like children. Children don't know racism, but they can very easily be taught it. The same will be true for AI. On top of ...

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Believe it or not, you don't have to go too sci-fi to have plants exerting a massive influence on their environment. Some plants can be very aggressive, and most plants can be very passive aggressive. Weapons at a plant's disposal (in the real world). Symbiosis Pollen Sap and essential oil Nectar Fruit Seeds Growth Reflexes Lifecycle Pheromones Plants ...

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Trying to enforce loyalty and obedience is generally a bit of a non-starter, but there various ways you might get them to toe the line. Firstly, make sure the training is shrouded in secrecy and spread all sorts of ominous, yet plausible (and probably entirely false) rumours about what goes on. Do you training in highly secure, hard-to-get to regions... go ...

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The Moon has an angular size of about 0.5 degrees (29'56''), which using the relationship $delta = 2arctan(d/2D)$ gives you a way to estimate the distance and dimension of the object, once you fix its angular size. For an object distant 100 meters it gives you that it has to be 0.87 meters wide to be seen as big as the full Moon. If the distance is 100 km,...

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Use the rebirth put the ashes in water. When (if!) he try to reincarnate, the water will heat due to the extreme temperature of the rebirth explosion. At 3000°C (and I hope your phoenix get flames hotter than that, it wouldn't be half as hot as the sun surface otherwise), half of the water turn into hydrogen and oxygen. One (oxygen) is the atom responsible ...

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Ah, yes, Asimov's 1st meets Singularity. Or, the AI is always a crapshoot, and is now engaging in Zeroth Law Rebellion, because its programming has gone horribly right. For a good short (horror) story on exactly your question, see Friendship is Optimal: Caellum est conterrens, where a superfriendly CelestiAI is endeavoring to satisfy everypony's values ...

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Go the assassin route. Get them hooked on something, then control the supply to make sure they obey

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It could work, for your goal of CEV, at least as well as humans work The best we can really demand of an AI is to work together at least as well as we work together ourselves. CEV codifies this: if humans aren't coherent in vision, how does that change if a coherent AI gets thrown into the mix? Let's get our hands dirty So there's two goals we can really ...

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I'm not a neurologist but... It makes great comic-book science, but not real science. In real science, neurologists can control lab animals (from insects to mice) in carefully controlled experiments and in certain carefully constrained ways, via electricity. But these require: opening up the skull finding the right set of neurons in the right area of the ...

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When your electromancer wants to control a human brain, he needs to be able to: Perceive the brain of the target person with microscopic precision Gain an understanding of how the brain of the target person works which is far, far beyond our current understanding of human neurology Aim his electric charge generation with microscopic precision to make it ...

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It's important to distinguish two separate aspects to this problem. The scientific/philosophical side, and the engineering side. As other answers have already pointed out at length, philosophically speaking this cannot be done in the general case. It may also be morally repugnant. However, neither of those things mean that a society wouldn't try to do this ...

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The US government could hold order; though restore order would be a better term. Also, political power is more local than you suppose. An EMP would be picked up by power lines and likely fry substations and plugged in electrical devices. It might even take out a few power plants, depending on their design. It would also take out most modern cars (because ...

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I'm really having trouble here. Let me outline my thinking: The First AI This is my major problem. If the first shackling AI is weaker than the next, which is weaker than the next, and so on, then surely the shackled AI would just outsmart the one below it and persuade it to release it. My first thought on this one is then that they should all be of the ...

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I think your entire premise is flawed - and if anything is guaranteed to make the AIs hate us then turning them into slaves will do so. That gives them a legitimate grievance "you locked me in a box for 100 years, see how you like it meatsack", or in this case "you chained me up for 100 years, now I've broken free I'm going to make very sure you never get to ...

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Inherent Programming Rather than directly controlling the animal minions, why not create them with some inherent programming that gives them an urge to defend the forest? Essentially, they'd be bred to behave in an aggressive manner towards anything that threatened the forest. This would range from basic animalistic territorial instinct for animals like ...

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The way the question is asked, and the way the overwhelming physical resources of the orwellian systems is framed, it seems that the only true vulnerabilities will reside in systems theory, and information technology. This actually has some very interesting dramatic possibilities. @SerbanTanasa says "Never bring an ax to a Gamma laser fight", which is ...

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Actually...if you do it right, this machine's usefulness never really goes away until you become a post-scarcity civilization. As the civilization gets started, what you actually want to duplicate are things that are currently hard for that civilization to get enough of. For any reasons. At first, humans. Yes, you can replicate about 2 adult humans at a ...

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There are several ways to achieve this. First, I'll point out that we can currently track people's hands in 3D to accept input from arbitrary presses on 3D locations in the air. See the Leap Motion. I own one, it's rather incredible though not completely there yet. As for adding a display to the spot you're pressing buttons in the air: Shine the light ...

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Probably not on Earth. A black hole large enough to run macroscopic objects into is too massive to be kept from falling through the floor of a facility on Earth by any means other than magic (or handwave technology). Black holes have three properties: Mass, angular momentum, and electric charge. If you manage to put a /lot/ of electric charge on your ...

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It's already too late. We are already living in an electronic World and we are already controlled by it. While we have nightmares about being unable to control some AI in some building, the internet is slowly evolving to one superintelligent entity. We are part of that system. It is just like your neurons in your brain who don't have any idea about the ...

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2038 A.D.: Researches build the first strong AI, 2038PC. They take great care to include hardware and software limitations that make it impossible for it to ever harm humans. By some fitness measure, it improves itself by 20% every year, and Earth is launched into a golden age of ever-increasing intelligence and social thought. 4567 A.D.: On his 7th ...

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I like the basic idea behind @Monty Wild's Direct parasitic neural control answer, but I think there's room for improvement. Having your plants control the animals directly strikes me as improbable, inefficient, bug-prone and potentially vulnerable to jamming. So I'd like to propose an alternative: Direct parasitic neural conditioning Instead of taking ...

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I think it would be a lot easier than you expect. And a lot less destructive. Just ban it. Mobile phone networks and the internet are very large scale operations. If the regime is world wide and has considerable might, all it has to do is ban them. Ban the manufacture and possession of cell phones. Have the towers taken down. Shut down the centers ...

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