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I am trying to do some background research for my world. I have found a ton of data explaining the hierarchy between septs, clans, and tribes, but above a tribe is where I start falling short on material.

Ideally what I am looking for to create is a group of clans that make up a tribe, that a group of tribes make up a... nation or some regional level entity... which then I hope form a Horde as the overall head of the hierarchy.

This comes to mind when thinking about the game World of Warcraft (WoW) where Horde isn't used to denote a large angry/violent mob destroying all in the way (a horde of zombies, a horde of barbarians, a horde of protesters, etc), but rather a territorial, sociopolitical entity under a war-chieftain. From there, the various fictional orc groups are broken down into tribes and clans.

Would the Horde structure system in WoW be acceptable where it goes from tribes to the main Horde group or do I need regional entities to bridge the gap between a Horde and a Tribe?

To give some background information, I am looking to have the beginnings of each tribe grouping to be regional in parts of the world/map. Then, One group of tribes/region fight to unite all regional tribe groups into one Horde group. Think of it like the early days of the Greek Empire where a regional group aka Spartans rose up to unite the other regional Greek states into the Greek Empire.

EDIT: @Raditz_35 provided a link about a Khanate which brought me to a map:

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The term or a term like Khanate would very much be what I am looking to use in a tribal theme.

EDIT 2: It seems that a Horde would be on par with a regional grouping according to this wiki about Ordas. This also goes in line with @AlexP's suggestion to make Horde sub of Khanate. However, it was also claimed that the Golden Horde eventually broke up into smaller Khanates and contradicts the notion that a Horde is smaller than a Khanate.

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    $\begingroup$ I think you know that, but just to be sure: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde read the section "name" $\endgroup$ – Raditz_35 Jun 21 '17 at 21:41
  • $\begingroup$ @Raditz_35 yes thanks for that! I did see a few articles about the Golden Horde, so it does appear to be historically okay (though this was the only time I found where a Horde was used as a central location). Would it be okay then to assert that I can have multiple regional groups make up a Horde? I am also still falling short on an entity between a tribe (city) and a more regional thing (such as a state) then Horde (or nation). There doesn't seem to be a state term for a group of tribes. $\endgroup$ – ggiaquin16 Jun 21 '17 at 21:50
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    $\begingroup$ Are you maybe looking for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate ? The Mongols became a thing once they united multiple regional groups. But I'm no historian. This might get a great answer in a history forum $\endgroup$ – Raditz_35 Jun 21 '17 at 21:53
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    $\begingroup$ Wikipedia has an article on horde as a Turkic / Mongol organisation. In the Eurasian steppe it is basically the equivalent of an American Indian extended tribe, such as the Apaches or the Cheyenne. $\endgroup$ – AlexP Jun 21 '17 at 22:06
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    $\begingroup$ You may want to reverse the order between Horde and Khanate -- historically a Khanate was (usually) the larger entity. But then, of course, everybody and his neighbour begans calling themselves Khans... $\endgroup$ – AlexP Jun 21 '17 at 22:23
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Yes, because first of all you can define terms for groups in fiction however you want to.

In my opinion, if a question over terminology for fiction requires too much research or arcane study in order to answer, you can just make up whatever you want and arguably call it plausible, because there are very few people who know, and for those who do know, so what--? See my first answer. To care too much about the "plausibility" of elements in a world is to care more about technicalities than the story.

Star Trek throws plausibility out the window every time they go faster than the speed of light, for crying in the mud. At light speed any object of substantial mass gains infinite mass and destroys the universe.

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  • $\begingroup$ You make a very good point that if I need to do a lot of digging around, more than likely it won't matter to the general public. I also understand it is my world and I can do what ever, but I also want it to flow with familiarity so that people aren't spending time having to understand it through context. $\endgroup$ – ggiaquin16 Jun 27 '17 at 21:17
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    $\begingroup$ Frankly, as a writer, even if it mattered to a select few, I wouldn't care. They can read other literature that strains "plausibility--" by which I mean they can read any literature, and be unhappy with it, if that's their attitude ;) $\endgroup$ – r_alex_hall Jun 27 '17 at 21:21
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    $\begingroup$ I'm not sure I really responded to your comment :p I'd guess that the noun your after wouldn't be familiar to most folks, but I also expect readers would pick up its meaning easily through context. For example, a leader could order a summons of everyone in the Khanate to battle, and be met with incredulity; and/or as a result, in the story every group shows up; so the readers know Khanate means everyone. $\endgroup$ – r_alex_hall Jun 28 '17 at 21:42

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