Alien message: arrows and sequence order

This is part of my Alien Message series:

I recall a TV show featuring a discussion on the design of warning messages for deep time, the little cartoon had dots in each panel (●, ●●, ●●●) because if the read right-to-left they might think it depicts a place where skeletons can be brought back to life! However, this is not a satisfying answer to me, as the people might naturally count down a series of steps to a conclusion.

In Dragon’s Egg, the characters remark on the Earthling’s drawings, why are there chevrons on the pointer? It must be their way of drawing an arrow, they decided.

So, how can something like a flow diagram depict arrows indicating direction? The style of an arrow head and tail might be completely culture specific. My first thought was to label it with dots (●, ●●, ●●●) along the line, but that reminded me of the first problem I related.

How could you clearly depict directional arrows in an alien drawing?

Related: how to depict sequence in general, among a set of pages, diagrams, or figures? Even the “correct” orientation of the page is not known! (An answer to one can be used to solve the other.)

• Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 11:43
• I think the orientation of the page is an interesting thing to say. Not sure we should even be assuming a page. If this is a radio-type message, wouldn't it just be a string of blips? Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 12:35
• @Carmi see the linked posts for more details on the message design thus far. In this Q, we know it represents a picture: no matter how it was received or found, it was decoded to the point of getting an image. Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 12:54
• If you exist in a physical atmosphere of air (or water for that matter) then one of the physical properties of an arrow-shaped object is that it will travel stably in the pointed direction, and not so much in any other direction. The physics is universal, so that's at least a clue for the aliens. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 11:29
• @carmi it's harder to decode an unknown alphabet than unknown pictographs, which in turn are harder than actual pictures of things. So to start with one would send pictures, hopefully explaining the meanings of what will subsequently be sent as symbols ("radio blips") for efficiency. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 11:32

Context, examples and lots of repetition

There are some thought schools which think that past is ahead of you and not behind you, so (●●●, ●●, ●) would be "natural" ordering for them. The dots without any context, or arrow → do not mean much if you do not know context.

You have to clearly show how you think

● → ●● → ●●●

●●● ← ●● ← ●

●●● ↔ ●●●

●●● ↮ ●

You have to provide as many examples as you can think of. Time causality, describing known feats of universe by thought diagrams and so on.

I did read The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury where this book deals on subject on how to understand Martians.

Also mind, that even "arrow" has to be explained, because you cannot even assume that arrow has meaning of "points to" in alien language.

Best idea is loads of repetition, where you in the message itself you hint the progression.

This is message X. You will receive this message exactly 5 times. Then other message will be received.

This message assumes you received message X. And it assumes you received message X 5 times. This is message Y. It follows message X. It will be repeated 7 times. After broadcasting of this message you will receive another message.

This is message Z. This message assumes that you received message X first and message Y second. Messages X, Y and Z are series of messages. The order of messages is X, then Y and then Z. This is message Z. We assume you received message X 5 times. We assume you received message X first. We assume you received message Y 7 times. We assume you received message Y second. This is message Z. It comes third in series of message. This is message Z. Messages X, Y and Z are correct order. You will receive this message 11 times. Other message will be delivered afterwards.

and so on...

And then you can build on this.

• Yep. I was thinking of chemistry when writing the parts about Ray Bradbury, but then I did not include that. What if aliens are at level of technology where they can manipulate with atoms and therefore no chemical reaction is irreversible? Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 12:35
• Rotation of an object is a good example of commutation: but to explain that you have to explain a form of directional arrow... O_O Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 12:47
• Left to right (or vice versa) to indicate time direction is unsuitable, because there is very likely a symmetry in the alien world. A symmetry breaker could be bottom up, since there's gravity to break the symmetry. If their world has an atmosphere, they certainly use a pointy device (aka rocket :-) with a non-symmetric shape.
– Jens
Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 15:06
• Isn't time reversable in quantum mechanical equations? Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 15:51
• Yes, but the question is - does time cause entropy, or does entropy cause time? It's possibly the case that we perceive time is because of the entropy delta. It's a bit like a river - it runs downhill towards the sea. If you are carried with the river, it'll always feel like downhill is the 'natural direction' but ... if you stand beside it, you'll see it flowing past. Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 17:19

Just be consistent

As you say, there is no way for the aliens to know. Specially since they may not even know what our bodies look like.

I think what you may want to look at is how we managed to understand early writings and drawings.

Mostly, we tried for each piece to understand if there was a most probable order. "On this one there is a kid, then a teenager, then a young adult, then an elderly, then a corpse, this must be the right order". Yes, you may fall on a story about time reversal, but if you have enough material on diverse subjects (and preferably subjects understandable by any alien), you'll be good.

So, your marking will probably not help understand your document, it's the other way around.

If you count on your aliens to be smart, it is actually a good idea to put page numbers on it, as you'll teach them how you count at the same time.

Things to put on your pages to explain ordering

• Birth, life and death of a star
• Dot, segment, triangle, square, pentagon, hexagon...
• Birth, life and death of several living species
• Geological formations
• Recipes using the aforementioned living species
• Descriptions of atomic elements (a good place to put arrows between a high energy isotope and a decayed one)
• Scenes of people having sex
• Things you think are irrelevant to help the decipherer, but actually helps them understand they assumed something wrong

Remember, any kind of titles, subtitles, index and such will be invaluable. Metadata is the most reliable data.

• I think the second bullet point is brilliant: a singly infinite sequence can't possibly be ordered wrong. Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 19:32
• Yes, it does have page numbers, which serves the purpose noted by @tylisirn, being the time order in transmission, as well as the logical reading order to understand things that are then used. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 2:32
• I'm confused at "scenes of people having sex"... how does that help, exactly?
– Erik
Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 11:05
• It doesn't help directly towards the numbering, but it helps understand how baby are produced and that it's important to our species. They also fit the "things you think are irrelevant" point.
– PatJ
Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 11:58

Introduce your sequence symbols temporally. Instead of broadcasting a single image of a "comic strip", broadcast a sequence of separate images that show the progression of the sequence markers. First image shows a single ●, pause, second image shows two ●●, pause, third image shows ●●●, etc.

Then you can use that as an established sequence to build more abstract symbols on.

Eg.

→ ●  ●●  ●●● →

← ●●●  ●●  ● ←

• Simple and efficient. Welcome to Worldbuilding!
– PatJ
Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 19:06
• Good point, the message transmission has an implicit time ordering. Just have to watch out where it starts to repeat the message! Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 2:29

Turn this on its head, and you realize that the concept of an "order" is not as vital as you might think. As long as the message is received by something which truly thinks, it isn't the world if there is a misinterpretation. In Dune: The Machine Crusade, there's a quote:

The weakness of thinking machines is that they actually believe all the information they receive, and react accordingly.

Non-machine thinkers are generally expected to take the information they receive with a grain of salt. The semantics of the message might not be perfectly cast in stone.

the little cartoon had dots in each panel (●, ●●, ●●●) because if the read right-to-left they might think it depicts a place where skeletons can be brought back to life!

This is only an issue if your reader is utterly confident in the order of the panels, ans as you pointed out, if the other species counts (●●●, ●●, ●), you're still in trouble. However, it is also reasonable to assume there will be some degree of uncertainty in the translation. Surely if there are two ways to interpret a symbol, and one of them is in violation of the forces of entropy, they'll think twice before blinding assuming they understand!

As it turns out, we don't even always agree on which way to put the arrow head. If I take UML as an example, the aggregation symbol and composition symbol actually has the head on the "from" side, while association has it on the "to" side:

So what can we assume when we send our alien message? I think it is reasonable to assume that the end viewer of the message can recognize that these arrows are being used to describe a directed graph, but that they might misrepresent the direction. Mathematically speaking, they may interpret the graph as its complement graph.

One approach you could do is try to use some properties of these graphs. One interesting property: The complement of every triangle-free graph is a claw-free graph, although the reverse is not true. You can demonstrate what a triangle-free graph and a claw-free graph are pretty reasonably. You can then use those properties to break the symmetry between a graph and its compliment, and once that symmetry is broken, you can then use that to demonstrate a directed graph. You might show a 'triangle free' directed graph that is only triangle free if the direction of the arrows is correct.

Once we're comfortable with directed graphs, assigning meaning to the arrows becomes a semantic step, rather than syntactic step. For example, one might want to use an arrow to show "the direction of time's progression," which is from low entropy to high entropy. Or you might want to show arithmetic, in which case the arrows can be used to describe the Successor function in Peano arithmetic. No matter what, the key is that the question of which direction the arrow is pointing has been solved by using graph theory.

Of course, the best solution is to have messages which you don't mind being misinterpreted. For example, if you are worried the aliens are all serial killers, don't send your phone number and home address in the message! Instead, send something more ambiguous that can start a longer dialogue!

You may be able to depend on certain shared physical properties, such as the handedness of the nuclear weak force, or instructions to build a device that emits circularly polarized radiation, as referenced in this series of blogs:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/degrees-of-freedom/handedness-galactic-challenge/

The blogs explore how we would explain left and right to an alien on the phone, who might not have any common referents to our Earth biology.

Also, there are some computer science algorithms that are mathematical and presumably universal, such as directed acyclic graph (DAG) sorting that rely on concepts of direction and ordering to make any sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_acyclic_graph

Then you can assign concepts to these shared directions (origin is on left, target is on right) to define your arrow and implication and entropy.

• Combustion is probably a good physical property that generally flows in one direction, provided you've already established communication of the periodic table. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 1:28

Send a sample message containing the following sequences.

1 --> 2 --> 3 --> 4, and so on

and,

4 --> 3 --> 2 --> 1

The order in the first sequence indicates increasing numbers, using integers. The order in the second sequence represents decreasing numbers.

Basically send similar sequences (eg, 2 --> 4 --> 8 --> 16: for doubling numbers). Assuming your communicators have established the values of various numbers like integers or natural numbers, then by depicting a variety of sequences either increasing or decreasing will indicate the direction of those number sequences.

If you send messages containing sample sequences which only make logical sense if the "-->" represents a 'direction", then the recipients will be able to interpret the same symbol being used in other messages as a direction. For example, in a flow chart or a set of directions.

This is nothing more than applying the Anticryptography in a way that provides the recipients with what is a sensible to correctly interpret the directional symbol. Directional arrows don't need to be arrows. Any symbol will do, as long as it is unambiguous in terms of its function.

EDIT:

The OP asks for examples where the arrow symbol represents a direction. Send three pages. Each page has the arrow pointing to show which way the page should be up. One page has a complete image on it. While the other two pages have half of the image on each. When the two half images are combined together the right way up they will represent the whole image. This established the first step for indicating a direction.

This can be followed up by pages with number sequences arranged in columns. If the numbers increase down the page and there is an arrow alongside the number column, this should indicate the direction of numerical increase. Alongside this column there can be another column of numbers that increase starting at the bottom of the column but this time going upwards. There will an arrow alongside this column but now pointing upwards.

The basic concept is to first establish an arrow as an indicator of a logical direction in terms of number. The next step will be to establish that the same symbol can be used as a symbol that indicates both orientation and going from here to there.

This suggests starting with numbers, using images to give a sense of orientation, and this can be built up to provide a directional indicator.

• So arrows indicate a sequence thriugh examples, but you’re not indicating anything about which way the arrow points. Just reverse your two examples! «sample sequences which only make logical sense if the "-->" represents a 'direction", » how about some example of that? Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 2:26

The problem is nice, but how do I make sure that the alien is oriented correctly? The up arrow is only "up" if the page is held like "this." A piece of paper is horrible in this regards. A spaceship that has landed on "legs" with the nose pointing up might work. Unless you land in water where the intelligent fish are watching for predators from the ocean depths.Consequently, they swim upside down relative to what we would expect. Maybe they live in the atmosphere of a gas giant and there is no "up." Think "airfish." I think you must make some assumptions, otherwise the problem is not solvable. So, what are the minimal assumptions that you must have to make the problem solvable? They must have written language that uses symbols. They need to be roughly man sized. A few millimeters tall is just as bad as 10 meters tall. They must have eyes that process images. Ideally they should see color. Somehow one needs some point of common reference. Chemistry? There needs to be enough communication to gain understanding. How do you tell the difference between a warning message and a James Bond thriller? I am sending you a movie plot on how aliens destroyed Hong Kong, versus I am sending you instructions on how to destroy Hong Kong.

• The question isn’t about orienting the page, or about up vs down. Look up flow diagram. Commented Feb 13, 2017 at 22:46
• @JDługosz talking about orientation seems relevant to how can something... depict arrows indicating direction in the question. Not all of this answer is completely relevant but it does touch on the question. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 4:39
• By “indicate direction” I mean of a flow or sequence; not which way is up. The Answer substutes a different question to answer, «that's nice but how…» and digresses with assertions that we need to have stuff in common. There’s nothing here about my question. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 6:38
• Start with the periodic table of elements, with samples. Go through and describe the elements. Reorganize them using arrows. Reactions: 2H2 + O2 -> 2H20. You have now established directionality with the arrow. Also provide directionality using models of radioactive decay and fusion. With mass you can discuss gravity: falling is represented with a down arrow. Acid/base/salt equilibria in water could introduce a split arrow indicating things on the left can move to the right and things on the right can move left. In all atmospheres hydrogen rises: up arrow. Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 20:02
• There is some good stuff here, but it needs better presentation IMHO. Commented Oct 5, 2017 at 6:48