Undoubtedly, the Great Wall is China's greatest landmark, stretching 13,171 miles in length, 26 feet at the tallest and 20 feet at the thickest.

In this scenario, there is a Great Wall of its own right, but it is circular, consisting of granite and marble bricks, 100 feet tall, 100 thick and protecting an area the size of modern Beijing.

enter image description here

This sort of size and building material isn't strictly defensive, but also symbolic of this particular culture's sense of superiority.

In any point in history, from the fourth millennium BCE to the 15th century CE, would this kind of construction be realistic?

  • 1
    $\begingroup$ What's the population inside the wall, and how do they get food, water, and other supplies? Transportation of any kind of large volumes in the period you indicated was almost totally by water. $\endgroup$ – John Feltz Nov 12 '16 at 2:10
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Simply as a matter of efficiency, you wouldn't want to make a perfectly circular wall. (Unless your city is on a perfecly flat plain.) You'd want to follow terrain, so stretches of the wall are at the top of hills, along river banks, &c. You also want various angles in it for tactical purposes, so if attackers are hitting point X, you can fire at them from the flanks. $\endgroup$ – jamesqf Nov 12 '16 at 3:19


Compared to the Great Wall, this is easy.

The area of Beijing is 6,336 mi².

The radius of a circle with that area is ~44.9 miles, or ~237119.12 feet.

Assuming the entirety of the wall is outside this inner city circle (not 50 ft inside the cirle's edges and 50 ft outside or 100 ft inside, etc) we can calculate the ground area of the wall by subtracting the area of the city circle from the area of that plus the wall, (237119.12 + 100)²π

(237119.12 + 100)²π - (237119.12)²π = 176786563459 ft² - 176637545706 ft² = 149017753 ft²

Multiply that by 100 and that's how many cubic feet of granite and marble you need:
149,017,753 ft³

That is about 0.4% of the volume of the Great Wall of China. This quantity works.

Composition shouldn't be a problem either - areas such as Xiamen City have an abundance of both granite and marble, so even if you aren't in one of these locations, you have a ton of places to import from. This should not be expensive, and if it is, it'll be a very small fraction of the cost of the Great Wall we see today.

If this is for symbolism and not defense, it'll work just fine.
In defensive situations, I'm sure a 100 foot tall, 100 foot thick wall will help too.


You appear to be looking for a defensive wall 100 feet high, 100 feet thick, and 300 miles long (more or less).

Possibly the greatest city walls ever built were the Theodosian Walls of Constantinople. The inner wall was about 40 feet high and 20 feet thick, the outer wall was 25-30 feet high and six feet thick, and the overall length is about 3.5 miles.

The Aurelian Walls of Rome were taller, longer, and thinner: 50 feet tall, 10 feet thick, and 10 miles long.

The second-longest defensive wall in the world, the Great Wall of Gorgan, is about 120 miles long and 25 feet wide; the height is unknown. Unlike the previous walls, this one was built from bricks.

From an engineering standpoint, building such a wall is no problem: plenty of ancient structures, such as the majority of the Pyramids, were at least as tall or as wide. The problem is economic: if neither Rome nor Byzantium were able to build a wall as large as the one you want, it's unlikely that your culture could amass the resources to do it either.

  • 1
    $\begingroup$ This project would cost on the order of hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars to construct today, and would be far more expensive in terms of man-hours then than it would be now. So, this would only make economic sense if there are a very compelling reason to devote such a large share of society's resources to the project. It would be a much bigger project than the pyramids or any construction made in history. Of course, if you had an "Assault on Titan" scenario with monsters outside, or rising levels of high tides, it might be worth it to build such huge and sturdy walls. $\endgroup$ – ohwilleke Nov 12 '16 at 8:28

walls have been around since before the egyptians, as long as they can produce the food to feed the workers it's not a big deal, most cities had walls around them after all. 100ft tall might be an issue, it means it has to be made of quarried stone block and not bricks, (brick will literally explode under that weight) more importantly the lower half will have to be block all the way through to support the weight unlike most walls which were earth filled. That drastically increases the price. It will also means they will have to mine several mountains flat to get enough stone. It will also take several generation at a minimum. Building it not the problem, the country not going completely broke in the process is. To be clear your wall would probably cost MORE than the great wall of china, especially if you want it all built all at once, the great wall was dozens of separate walls built at different times.

The tallest castle walls were only about 45 ft tall, and they only cover a very small area. For comparison the Pingyao city walls here are about 30 ft tall and about 3 and half miles long. it's made of earth and brick. Your biggest issue is there is no real reason to make a wall that high, so you might want to halve your height and thickness, especially if you want the country to survive building it.

enter image description here


The other answers have addressed the feasibly of building the wall, which is within the reach of an empire that has the will to do it. You can even scale it back significantly, particularly the thickness, and still have a daunting barrier for a 15th century army.

But what happens once it's built?

If it's purely symbolic, great! Done. But if it's for defensive purposes, a wall alone does not make you safe. If unmanned it is merely a speed bump for an attacking army.


An attacking army need not go over or even through the wall, but they can go under it. Undermining is a military siege tactic of digging a tunnel under a wall. Rather than using the very narrow tunnel to bring troops in, it's used to make a gap in the wall. Prior to explosives, typically a void is dug under the wall and then the tunnel is collapsed by removing or burning the supports. In later times the tunnel would be packed with explosives. This would require far less explosives than trying to blow through the wall from the outside as it collapses the foundation causing a section of the wall to fall into the resulting hole.

Such a large and circular wall, its location picked for its shape and not to match the terrain, would be vulnerable to easy undermining at many locations: rivers, swamps, sandy areas. In some cases water would naturally undermine the wall providing easy access and even eventual natural collapse.

Manning the wall

An undefended wall is a useless wall. The wall will have to be manned. In times of peace by lookouts. In times of war by significant forces able to repel an attack and prevent undermining.

If we assume a radius of 45 miles, your wall could have a circumference of about 283 miles. To put this in perspective, Hadrian's Wall, which was more of a border checkpoint than a defensive position, runs 73 miles. It had a gate with a milecastle and two turrets every mile, and a larger fort every 5 miles. The milecastles were garrisoned by static troops while the forts provided a mobile reserve of 500 to 1000 troops to respond to emergencies in the milecastles.

  • 1 milecastle per mile
  • 2 turrets per mile
  • 1 fort with 500 to 1000 troops every 5 miles

Your wall is 4 times longer. If we assume the same peacetime manpower as Hadrian's Wall your wall needs...

  • 283 milecastles
  • 566 turrets
  • 56 forts
  • 72,450 mobile troops

Mobile troops would need horses, supplies, laborers, blacksmiths, supplies, and so on. The milecastles could be manned by local conscripts, and probably a few professional soldiers to keep them in line. The conscripts would live nearby to reduce supply problems.

Hadrian's Wall was worth the effort because its 73 mile length protected the whole of Roman England from attack from the north. Your wall protects a single city. Maintaining an army of 72,000 professional soldiers, a very significant army in the period, in peacetime to defend one city gets very expensive.

Because your fortification is so much more significant than Hadrian's Wall, you could probably reduce your manpower requirements and still have a viable defense, but it will still require a quite significant standing army simply to defend it. Otherwise it's a speed bump.


Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.