# How do I make oxygen for a generation ship?

On a generation ship, the people living on it need oxygen, lots of oxygen. More than they can realistically carry, thus a generation ship must be able to create breathable air from relatively common materials and elements found in space.

How does a generation ship provide oxygen to the people inside it? What common elements can the ship rely on to provide, let's say, 100 million people with breathable air for an indefinite amount of time?

• Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. Sep 19, 2016 at 13:26
• I feel this is too short and undeveloped to be its own standalone answer, but there is always the option of carrying mining equipment and finding ice in space to gather for water, hydrogen and oxygen. This can also be used for mining asteroids for materials for replacement parts and possibly expanding the ship if the population grows. May 15, 2019 at 2:54

Closed cycle life support systems (CLSS) are the only way to go for prolonged space travel or even space stations and colonies orbiting a Sun. As pointed out, the real problem is making up losses since no system is ever going to be 100% efficient.

One of the key elements for any sort of CLSS needs to be water. Water is essential for the life processes of everything aboard. The waste water stream is going to be processed to provide nutrients for the plants (both algae and food plants), then the cleaned water is going back for drinking and other uses in the human/animal side of the system.

So the ship needs millions of litres of water for the system. Extra water can be carried to buffer the system, act as radiation shielding or thermal heat sinks and other uses aboard the ship. One of the most convenient ways to carry all this water is as ice. Anthony Zuppero outlined a simple design in the shape of a doughnut or tire which uses ice as both a structural material and as the reservoir for all the water needs of the crew. Should there be some sort of disaster which cripples the CLSS, the ice can be melted and electrolysed to release hydrogen and oxygen, with the oxygen being added to the atmosphere. As an aside, the real danger in a closed environment isn't running out of Oxygen, but being poisoned by a buildup of CO2.

The most common solution to this approach is to try and mirror Earth's biosphere. Since you need water, food, and air, you need a solution that provides all 3.

Hydroponics (and its closely-related twin aeroponics) is an excellent way to provide food and air: You grow edible plants (especially those with green leaves), which as they are growing consume the CO2 you exhale and turn it back into breathable oxygen. Algae and certain bacteria are showing a lot of promise currently for filling this role very well. Water is recycled and reused, just as it is in Earth's water cycle.

You can supplement this with mechanical and/or chemical processes that also break down exhaled CO2 and release the oxygen back into the ship's systems.

Unfortunately, no man-made biosphere can possibly be 100% efficient, nor can any pressure vessel be made 100% sealed, so you will have to additionally carry tanks of compressed oxygen to replace losses on your travels. You will be able to collect small amounts of hydrogen and oxygen with something akin to a ram scoop, though without onboard recycling of CO2 and water you will not be able to collect enough for anyone to survive.

If your ship is traveling to the next star system, that's pretty much it; if you can stop at other stars along the way (which will always be a massive detour, but for a long enough journey may nonetheless be required), you can probably harvest base materials within the system, but it's going to be hard, expensive, time-consuming, and rely on carrying a lot of heavy equipment that is just taking up space and mass for greater than 99.999% of your total journey.

• You couldn't have helped massage my answer so it wasn't so absurd? LOL. This is kind of where I was going but didn't think long enough on breaking down the carbon dioxide with other means. I was thinking you would eventually need to replace oxygen, but this is a much better answer. Sep 16, 2016 at 19:07
• @SteveMangiameli Sorry, but such an edit would have significantly changed the answer, rather than just improving upon it -- it's a huge change to go from "electrolysis" to "let the plants do their thing". I was expecting you to change it yourself (at which point I would have removed downvote and comment), and only wrote mine when you deleted it instead. Sep 16, 2016 at 19:10
• I know. I was joking. When you pointed out the error in my thinking, it just made sense to back off and let more knowledgeable answers be introduced. Sep 16, 2016 at 19:12
• "rely on carrying a lot of heavy equipment that is just taking up space and mass for greater than 99.999% of your total journey" You can always manufacture what you need as it is needed, then recycle those machines when not needed for that purpose. Sep 16, 2016 at 23:10
• Why not surround the ship with ice, and melt some now and then for more oxygen/hydrogen? No need for heavy pressurized tanks for carrying gasses inside, which means less power needed for acceleration. Sep 17, 2016 at 8:35

## The Ship

A generation ship carrying one million people for an indefinite period will need to carry or generate a minimum of 550,000,000 litres of $$O_2$$ per day. Mixed to match Earth atmosphere ratios, in which $$O_2$$ accounts for 21% of the air, that's a minimal atmosphere capacity of 2,620,000,000 litres.

Assuming a classic rotating cylinder ship, that is a cylinder roughly 3,000 km long and 1,050 km across. Such a ship would have an internal surface area of 11,700,000 $$km^2$$, so something between Canada and Antarctica in size. Again, that is the bare minimum – meaning zero redundancy, zero waste, zero loss – to support one million air-breathing adults.

## The Interstellar Medium

99% of the interstellar medium by mass is gas, of which 70% is hydrogen and 28% helium. Oxygen makes up trace amounts – less than 1,000 molecules per $$cm^3$$ in the best case scenario; not enough to harvest en route to make a difference. Barring fusion of those H and He molecules, you're going to have to bring all the oxygen you need with you, in one form or another.

## The Oxygen Cycle

Fortunately, people – and plants – also need water to live, and water has oxygen.

To keep these people breathing you'll have to simulate or approximate the natural oxygen cycle found on Earth:

Specifically the Hydrogen and Oxygen steps. The only inputs this system needs are photosynthesis-permitting light, which can be achieved artificially, and topping up any lost hydrogen.

## Grow It

From the same Wikipedia article linked above, the carbon cycle accounts for 99% of the oxygen, stored away in rock; your ship will need as much oxygen produced and cycling as possible, and cannot justify the space and mass a crust-substitute quantity of rock and minerals would require, or the time, so this step will need to be bypassed.

The "light-dependent reaction" in the diagram above is photosynthesis – plants combining $$6CO_2$$ (carbon dioxide) with $$6H_2O$$ (water) and light to produce $$C_6H_{12}O_6$$ (sugar – glucose) and $$6O_2$$ (oxygen).

On Earth the Amazon produces more than 20% of total oxygen from photosynthesis – 20% of 165,000,000,000,000 litres; see table 2 in link above – in an area roughly 5,500,000 $$km^2$$. That's tens of thousands times more oxygen than you need, produced in an area half the size of the cylinder described.

(There is another way to produce oxygen called photolysis – UV light breaking $$H_2O$$ into its constituent parts; $$H_2$$ to be absorbed/collected, free oxygen combining to $$O_2$$ – but on Earth it doesn't produce even 0.001% of the $$O_2$$ we breathe, so we probably shouldn't factor it into this situation.)

• Uh, if the Amazon provides 20% of all global oxygen, shouldn't we be fine? 7.12 billion * .2 = 1.4 billion, so there would be a ginormous margin even with the 100 million population (and with plenty of room left over - 100 mill is roughly the population of Japan - which is ~1/4 the size of the Amazon). You should be able to make the ship significantly smaller - by at least half, and likely 10 times or more; remember, it's not like people breathe their entire oxygen allowance in one go, plants will also be producing oxygen throughout the day. Sep 17, 2016 at 16:43
• I am not sure where your assumption of atmosphere volume requirement comes from. The O2 generation can happen in any volume of atmosphere, it does not have to be the equivalent of "1 day of new O2". Why not 1 hour, or 1 week? Sep 17, 2016 at 16:43
• Theres something wrong with the numbers here. 550,000,000 litres / 1 million people = about 1lb O2 per day, which seems about right. Hence 2,600,000,000 litres is also Ok. But a cylinder of 1050km diameter and 3000km long has a volume of 2,600,000,000km3. Even if you change that to 1050m dia and 3000m long we get 2,600,000,000m3 which is still a factor of 1000 out (only a factor of10 if you consider the edit to 100 million.) That said, having each person steeped in just 2620 litres of gas isn't going to be pleasant and absolutely does not allow space for photosynthesis. Sep 17, 2016 at 17:40
• check your concentration - 1,000 molecules per cm3 - where it is from, check comments to op's question. On Earth the Amazon produces more than 20% of atmospheric oxygen in an area roughly 5,500,000 km2. - it is for 7billion people, for all animals, fishes. You have to shrink that area not enlarge it - for 100 millions of people. Sep 17, 2016 at 21:04
• I thought that the oxygen produced in the Amazon is also used by the rich ecosystem. The oxygen we need is produced in the ocean. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:15

You absolutely will not collect fresh air along the way. Elements will be recycled and atoms (including oxygen) reused over and over. Ideally you only need to add energy. Other losses need to be managed so you carry enough atoms to last. At speed, resupply en route is impossible even if you were to pass something in interstellar space. Slowing down is the bulk of your energy budget so you only do that once, when you arrive.

A closed life support system is either an elaborate chemical factory or a small ecosystem. Since you specified 100 million humans, that is a rather large scale and is definitely an ecosystem.

At all costs, you want closed cycles that generally maintain themselves and regulate themselves, as well as repair and reproduce components. You want massive redundancy of small units, not huge machines.

So, we’re talking living organisms. If some nanofab is engineered it is a moot point of it being anything other than a bacteria or other cell, since it shares all the salient features with natural life.

You’ll want ponds that circulate themselves, not complex pumps and pipes. Everything will end up looking like wildlife, including “trees” and “fungi” that are actually engineered tech, and a large portion of oxygen production is done with sea algae.

• @a4android I wish I could upvote your edits! What goes around comes around—or maybe there's a conservation law of typos such I must make as many as I fix for others. Sep 17, 2016 at 8:48
• Nice of you to say so. Truth is everybody makes typos. It's always easier to spot other people's typos, so we fix each others' glitches. That makes the conservation law for typos work. Now I hope someone's out there repairing my typos. Sep 18, 2016 at 3:01
• It also has to do with quickly finishing what I wanted to write, on a tablet, when dinner is ready. I saved without proofing. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:12

Algea Aero/hydroponics grows fast enough, feeds your population, scrubs CO2, and produces oxygen...

But really, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and/or water is everywhere in space, Your ship might even run on a fusion/fission reactor that produces water, energy, and oxygen.

• @Karl Are you saying that you can get Oxygen out of H2O? or H2O out of Hydrogen and Oxygen? There's more to it that putting them together and taking them apart, but there is a way to do this effectively and inefficiency is sometimes relative, because an efficient way to get 1 thing can be an effective way to do something else and that inefficient product is all that you needed so there is no reason to come up with another way... Also if it's technically impossible it can't be inefficient. They're mutually exclusive concepts.. Sep 16, 2016 at 21:33
• @Karl It's inefficient to to fuse Hydrogen into Oxygen I agree, but it's not impossible and if you have a fusion reactor you might as well use it to make oxygen... Sep 16, 2016 at 21:56
• @Karl That is indeed true right now. We are presuming that fusion reactor technology isn't a present capabilities obviously making you're comments pointless. Why would you even think anyone is suggesting this right now? Sep 16, 2016 at 22:29
• let's can this.
– Karl
Sep 16, 2016 at 22:43

By definition, a generation ship is self-contained for its entire journey. With very few exceptions, if hard science is used, the system must be entirely closed, with little or no losses. That includes O2. Recycle. Every possible molecule of O2 needs to find its way back. Yes, you should also include rust in your assumptions...

Of course, all the recycling systems must also be closed-loop, with all waste products and catalysts being re-usable somewhere, otherwise THOSE would run out.

Hence the difficulty with closed loop systems...

OR, if you are stretching the science of your fiction, you can get Oxygen as a byproduct from fusion/fission...

Nuclear submarines today have systems that can remove carbon dioxide from the air, called scrubbers. However, they make their oxygen by electrolysis of water, and a spaceship cannot do that. There are a number of newer technologies being developed for capturing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, including transparent tubes full of photosynthetic algae (at the University of Kentucky) to make the most efficient use of space.

Your spaceship will need to recycle the atoms of carbon and oxygen on board, because it can’t replace them. That means it uses some process that consumes energy to convert carbon dioxide and other waste products into oxygen plus useful organic molecules such as food. This could be plants, as on Earth, or it could be chemical engineering to produce essentially the same end products. For example, ultraviolet light can split carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen, or it’s possible to use carbon, oxygen and hydrogen to synthesize complex organic molecules. Most refineries need fossil fuels as their source material, but it can also be done now with electricity, water, and carbon dioxide to produce “blue crude.”

• Why can't it break apart water to do that? Waste would be cleaned (think Frank Herbert's Dune series) to provide water. And if hydrogen could somehow be either developed or recaptured, it could be recombined with oxygen to make more water, as a never ending cycle. Sep 17, 2016 at 0:54
• Submarines are surrounded by water, and spaceships are not. It isn’t an external supply of oxygen in this case. It is likely that the chemical reactions the ship would use for its carbon cycle will involve water, though, so in that sense it will. Sep 17, 2016 at 1:45
• And it might have that capability, as a means of replenishing its oxygen in an emergency if it lost some. Sep 17, 2016 at 1:48

Oxygen is not the only problem when creating a breathable environment.

This answer uses only currently feasible or existing technologies

While the astronauts in the Gemini and Apollo programs breathed 100 percent oxygen at reduced pressure for up to two weeks with no problems, breathing pure oxygen at earth level pressures is not medically advisable, (remember these astronauts were specially trained and in peak physical condition). The earth's atmosphere is only ~20% oxygen, as such our bodies have adapted.

Oxygen toxicity is a very real risk in human spaceflight (Pure oxygen is also highly explosive). Accordingly, most modern spaceflight missions (such as ISS missions, Skylab, Space Shuttles, and Orion MPCV) place a high importance on introducing diluents nitrogen as well as oxygen (exception: pressure suits use pure oxygen at the lowest inflation pressure).

Oxygen is largely recyclable, many other comments have outlined good techniques for recycling it. Oxygen is the 3rd most common element in The Milky Way at ~1.04% of mass, so smaller ships could be dispatched to gather it and return to the larger habitat ship with 100 million people in it.

There are a some realistic solutions to diluting oxygen but they have trade offs

Nitrogen, the 7th most common element, is 1/10th as common as oxygen at ~0.096% of mass which would make it unrealistic to collect during space travel and is relatively heavy compared to Helium and Hydrogen, ~7 and 14 times more heavy respectively.

Helium is used as dilutent in some deep diving equipment (aka Heliox). Helium is very common in the milky way (2nd most common element at ~24% of mass). However there are 3 significant but solvable problems with helium due to its low molecular weight. 1) It is not suitable for dry suit inflation (poor thermal insulation). 2) It impairs but does not inhibit communication (the speed of sound is faster in a lower molecular weight gas, which increases the resonance frequency of the vocal cords). 3) Probably the most problematic but still solvable is Helium leaks are much more common than other gases. Atoms of helium are smaller allowing them to pass through smaller gaps in seals.

Hydrogen is both the most common element at ~74% of mass in the milky way and has been used in deep diving gas mixes (aka Hydrox) but is very explosive when mixed with more than about 4 to 5% oxygen. The 4 to 5% oxygen mixtures usage is limited to deep dives (also has the same communication problems as Helium). You could use a safe 5% oxygen mix in a high pressure cabin environment (side effects will occur) or have some sort of mask that filters out some of the hydrogen when breathing so that mixture entering the body has enough oxygen but the environment is not highly unstable. (You could use a ~20% oxygen mix and just make sure absolutely nothing sets it off)

Oxygen Only if a dilutent absolutely cannot be used there are a couple options. Running it at about 1/3rd of earth atmospheric pressure would sustain life in some of the passengers in peak physical condition but others would experience either respiratory failure or conditions such as: venous/vascular air embolisms, pulmonary oxygen toxicity, oxidative stress exasperating existing conditions, retinopathy, hypoxia, obstructive lung disease. The pure oxygen is highly explosive even at lower pressures.

Gas is generally compressed for storage which removes moisture from it, while not usually deadly, it causes dehydration, so probably best re-moisturize the air.

Disclaimer: I am not a diving instructor, if you intend to use this information for diving, please consult a diving instructor first. The presented medical information is summarized, consult a doctor. Do not use this as a medical advice or opinion

You Have to Stretch some Laws of Physics

If you want a true deep-space ship (eg. nothing around you, not even asteroids, for hundreds of light-years) your crew is doomed. At some rate your ship will emit energy to space around you in the form of radiation, which will add up over time. In addition, versus the vacuum of space you will lose small molecular gasses straight through your hull! That loss will primarily be in the form of Hydrogen, which you won't miss much until your water supplies start to run low.

If we stretch science a bit...

Perhaps you could find a way to spot and track asteroids and even rogue planets outside of solar systems. You pick up and process those sources as you go along to replenish supplies. Being a generational ship the planets you come across are presumably not fit for human habitation, but they could still contain ice and other elements/minerals you need. A real-life example of such a planet would be Europa.

As for the basic problem that your power sources are going to run low at some point... well, I won't mention it if you don't.

• I never said there was nothing around, not at all. I said they will not be stopping at stars Sep 16, 2016 at 19:22
• In the comments you said that they would mostly be traveling in interstellar regions, which are effectively empty. Yes, trace dust here and there and even the occasional planet that lost its system... but versus the vastness which is space, it's pretty much empty. But if you're hitting "stuff" regularly, is it safe to assume FTL travel? If so, then yes, just pick stuff up on your way. Even with FTL M-class planets are pretty rare, so mostly it would be stops for resources. Sep 16, 2016 at 19:36
• FTL travel isn't possible Sep 16, 2016 at 19:53
• Oh. Then you're right back to my answer :). It's possible, but only if you bend the laws of physics a bit. We'll all forgive you though, because space-related Sci-Fi is pretty rough when you're being hard about your science. Sep 16, 2016 at 19:55
• Why would you keep elementar hydrogen (that you need for the inevitable fusion reactor) close to the hull? Water or oxygen do not measurably diffuse through solid metal.
– Karl
Sep 16, 2016 at 20:38