In the book series Animorphs there is a mention of an advanced alien species, the Permalites, who are described as being highly advanced and at such scales of advancement that they are beyond wars; in other words, the super-advanced civilization knows nothing about wars, fights etc. and has not been at war in a long time. Also, these people (Permalites) are all about love and peace.

My question: How would a society function that was beyond the need/interest of military conflict and similar competition?

Also, how much advancement would humans have to do to move beyond wars and stuff

Permalites at Animorphs wikia

Animorphs wikia

  • $\begingroup$ You might include links to the series and specific creatures you’re referring to. $\endgroup$
    – JDługosz
    Sep 2, 2016 at 12:18
  • $\begingroup$ reading the attached links, Permalites aren't peaceful because they are advanced, their society instead does not promote violence $\endgroup$
    – Chris J
    Sep 2, 2016 at 12:31

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As I understand it, the Permalites aren't peaceful because of their advancement - but I'll take your question in the spirit it was asked, which is "how could any race advance beyond war?"

We're starting to see the beginning of it now, I think, with drone warfare - one side isn't risking anyone, because they're just fielding automatons. Now suppose this became common - nations start having automaton-only armies, because there's no point in fielding human soldiers to get themselves killed. Automatons also have another advantage - they can be upgraded. So these machines get better and better. Smarter and smarter, faster and faster, with more and more powerful weapons. At the same time, ethics develops - when war is between machines, killing a human is an atrocity, because a human is always a non-combatant. So the "well-behaved" nations only attack machines.

Eventually, these machines become so smart and fast and powerful that entire battles, and then entire wars, can be fought in the blink of an eye. People gradually become more distant from the idea of warfare, since war is always so quick and easy. Gradually, people become okay with the idea of an "abstract war" - a war decided in principle instead of in practice. It's much cheaper, and has basically the same effect. More and more often, conflicts that would have resulted in physical combat are resolved by a computer's calculation of how much damage each side would have inflicted on the other.

After a couple of hundred years of that, when no physical damage has been inflicted for generations, people forget the original meaning of these calculations, and view this computer as an arbiter that assigns victory to the side with greater resources. War is gone.

Note: I'm modeling this off of the development of currency - originally, we insisted on bartering. Then gold became an adequate substitute; then paper money became an adequate placeholder for gold. It wasn't until fairly recently that we stopped thinking of paper money as a promise of precious metal, and now otherwise-worthless pieces of paper have great value just because we agree they do.


When a society advances that generally means that we get more efficient, better at what we were already doing.

For instance, social media is us, attempting to connect with more people and be more social. 50 years ago, we sent out pictures of our families during the holidays, and we bragged on the card about what awards little Johnny had gotten this year, promotions, vacations, new cars. Now we can do that every day, as it happens on social media.

War, killing people is one of the things we do, we've just gotten more advanced. Before, back in caveman days we had to do it with our hands, or a rock. Eventually we got spears, then knives, then swords, arrows, guns, explosives, and finally, the a-bomb.

Now, cooperation is a part of what we do, but we've always been better at war.

Before I answer your question, I have to accept that the most advanced version of a human would be bad at war. War encompasses defense of one's home as well as offense.

I would have to accept that there's no evolutionary advantage as far as being good or predisposed to war.

I clicked on your link, having written this, and found this as far as Permalites are concerned:

The Pemalites were a highly advanced dog-like race who knew only of peace and playfulness. They were created by the Ellimist to counter the surge of killing from Crayak. When Crayak discovered the Pemalites, he sent the Howlers to destroy them. Because the Pemalites knew only peace, they had no way to fight back, which lead to their downfall.

Then it goes on to say that they are pretty much extinct because of this. There are two things I notice about the race.

1) They were created. Natural selection doesn't happen in their early development. It sure does later though, which is why this unwarlike race pretty much gets wiped out.

2) They "only knew of peace and playfulness." If that's the case, they didn't come from a warlike race which then advanced beyond war. They are not an example of that. Their creation implies that as well.

You had two questions: how would a society function that was beyond wars/competition? And how much advancement would humans have to do to move beyond wars and stuff?

First, as the Permalites show, by nearly dying out, and only surviving because they have a protector, being bad at war isn't an evolutionary advantage. If there are, indeed, others in the stars who would kill us, we would best have to know how to defend ourselves. That's part of war. The best example I have seen are the Nox from Stargate. Because they don't want to fight, they've learned how to hide and will simply remove weapons from aggressors.

Notice that they are so powerful that they don't have to fight. They have a choice.

The Nox live in the woods and have an internal life sense. That might be part of the reason why they don't fight--they draw energy from all life. It is to their advantage that they don't.

Humans have no such bio mechanism. However, in order for us to become a pacifist society, a few things would have to happen

  • total change in cultural norms (all games would be cooperative)
  • a real evolutionary advantage from peace (like drawing from living things as the Nox do in the example above)
  • powerful enough that we simply banish all threats. If we are not, we will die like the Permalites OR we become totally dependant on another race that can protect us and wage war

More advanced does not necessarily equal more peaceful, so the second question you had on how advanced we would have to be, does not have a premise I agree with. However, do see the third point above "powerful enough that we simply banish all threats." That's tough to do, because there's always someone bigger...


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