With technology it is possible to detect Gravitational waves as Gravitational waves have been detected by LIGO. Could a species evolve to have a sense organ for detecting Gravitational waves? What types of conditions could cause a species to evolve to detect gravitational waves? How big would a biological gravitational wave detector be?
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asked Feb 14, 2016 at 17:20
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24$\begingroup$ LIGO is 4 km long. Just saying. $\endgroup$– HDE 226868 ♦Feb 14, 2016 at 17:24
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1$\begingroup$ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night%27s_Dawn_Trilogy#Voidhawk $\endgroup$– ReactormonkFeb 14, 2016 at 22:11
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5$\begingroup$ What kind of evolutionary pressure would favor such an organ? In other words, what it would use it for? $\endgroup$– Remus RusanuFeb 14, 2016 at 22:21
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2$\begingroup$ @RemusRusanu: Obviously the requirment of knowledge about outer space to surive! $\endgroup$– ZaibisFeb 15, 2016 at 13:12
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1$\begingroup$ I'm pretty sure that Solaris (the planet-covering organism from Stanislaw Lem) was able to do it, because it can manipulate gravity on a very fine scale, so it would make sense if it was also able to detect it. Whether we should consider it a species or not might be debatable. $\endgroup$– vszFeb 17, 2016 at 7:05
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A commonly considered life form on meter scale at liquid water temperature on a planet: no way. Whatever would it be for?
So reach more. What about planet sized life forms that live in interstellar space. SF has speculated on life forms formed from magnetic structures millions of miles across feeding at the heliopause.
A gravitational sense might make sense for a creature like that.
answered Feb 14, 2016 at 17:54
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1$\begingroup$ This sounds like something Cybertron might have. $\endgroup$– IxrecFeb 15, 2016 at 13:23
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$\begingroup$ Cybertron? What is that? (Sounds like something from Doctor Who) $\endgroup$– JDługoszFeb 15, 2016 at 14:39
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3$\begingroup$ "Whatever would it be for" -- to detect nearby high-energy stellar events and hide behind a rock before the gamma rays arrive? Of course it's hard to see what kind of astronomical arrangement would be needed for that ability to be consistently selected for. You'd need lots of events that are worth hiding from, but not so bad they vaporise the planet :-) $\endgroup$ Feb 15, 2016 at 14:39
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2$\begingroup$ @user151841 the gamma rays may be produced by processes taking place after the core collapse or whatever. Just like nutrinos arrive first, and that's something you can read up on. $\endgroup$– JDługoszFeb 15, 2016 at 17:01
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Basically no, unless you stretch the definitions enough that not everyone will agree it is a sense organ for a species. The measurement, as Mike pointed out, was a fraction of the charge width of a proton over several kilometers. To throw actual numbers at it, over the distance of their 4000m run, they detected a length shift of .000000000000000004m (I'm intentionally using the same units, and not relying on scientific notation). This is not easy to measure, especially given seismic activity many orders of magnitude greater than the signal which had to be isolated! From the Physics Review:
Each test mass is suspended as the final stage of a quadruple-pendulum system [56] , supported by an active seismic isolation platform [57]. These systems collectively provide more than 10 orders of magnitude of isolation from ground motion for frequen- cies above 10 Hz.
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Another 10^5 channels record the interferometer’s operating point and the state of the control systems. Data collection is synchronized to Global Positioning System (GPS) time to better than 10μs[66]. Timing accuracy is verified with an atomic clock and a secondary GPS receiver at each observatory site.
This sort of extreme accuracy is only seen in technical structures. There's at least 2 or 3 dozen atomic clocks involved in the timing measurements alone. To have it occur in organics is going to take some leaps of faith. In general, organics prefers to build solutions which solve may problems well rather than specialized single-purpose solutions that solve one problem very well. Organics is more likely to work around the effects of gravity waves than to build a sensor organ to observe them, at least on our scale.
One possible organic entity that could build such a detector would be a planet sized organic entity, or a solar system sized one. Once you have the entire resources of a planet or a star at your disposal, the sort of problems you might consider working on start to include things on the scale of gravity waves. It would likely be a serendipitous ability caused by the need to solve many other problems using long distance interferometery. It might solve some of the distance challenges. If you could build an interferometer the diameter of Earth's orbit, you could probably increase the minimum detection size from less than the width of a proton to half the width of a water molecule!
Such an entity might evolve in a very low energy environment, having consumed most of the usable energy in its corner of the galaxy. The tiniest shred of information might be useful for it in its quest to find more energy to consume, and gravity waves are nearly as small as they come! Of course, these entities would certainly stretch our imagination about what a living creature is. They would more likely be a strangely well organized body of dust and gas whose gravitational effects slowly generate sentience and reason like electrical stimuli do in our brains today.
Alternatively, one might claim LIGO is a sense organ designed to detect gravity waves. After all, it was constructed by a species to detect them. Sure, it's not coded in DNA, but do we really want to limit our thinking to merely things coded in DNA? Perhaps we can claim its the curiosity coded into our DNA that caused us to detect sensory organs. Can curiosity be considered a sense? Maybe. Why not! What's in a name, anyways!
answered Feb 14, 2016 at 17:51
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$\begingroup$ Dawkins would call that an extended phenotype. $\endgroup$– JDługoszFeb 14, 2016 at 17:56
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The only reason for any creature to evolve such an organ would be because it is somehow useful.
The only places in the Universe where it would be useful would be in very extreme environments, such as orbiting a Magstar, Neutron star or a black hole, where you can expect to encounter powerful gravitational waves.
While this is a staple of SF writers like Stephen Baxter, it is difficult to envision such a creature. It would probably resemble a solar sail or perhaps a large mesh antenna to "feed" off the energies being released by the rotating neutron star, the magnetic fields of a Magstar or the accretion disc of a black hole (any creature waiting to feed from the Hawking radiation of a stellar mass black hole will be hungry for a pretty inconceivable number of years [10^67]).
For a creature in that environment, gravitational energy could become very dangerous. The announcement of the discovery of gravitational waves suggests this was the collision of two huge black holes, the release of gravitational energy via gravity waves was the equivalent of several solar masses and a peak power output similar to the energy of the visible universe for a tiny fraction of a second.
Being a very fragile, gossamer structure in free space orbiting the extreme body, there will be a large incentive to be able to predict the changes in the environment and react to them. If we consider a large antenna like creature shaped somewhat like a spider web, there will be a preexisting nervous system to send signals down the "web lines", which might become adapted to this sort of use. Unlike LIGO, there would be several or perhaps several hundred radial lines all leading back to the "brain". If some sort of synchronous signal is already part of the anatomy (perhaps to ensure the antenna body is properly aligned) then changes in the signal strength across the various lines or the interference patterns of returning signals would serve the same purpose as LIGO, although probably on a much cruder scale. Since it would be very close to the source of gravitational waves, this would probably do.
Imagine this image on a scale of thousands of kilometres....
answered Feb 15, 2016 at 0:13
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The short answer is no. The accuracy required by LIGO, able to detect a difference of one thousandth the size of a proton over a distance of four kilometres, is beyond the capacity of an evolved biological system, since there's no intermediate stage that would be partially useful like there is with eyes and such-like.
answered Feb 14, 2016 at 17:25
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Well, if the species evolved from carbon based organisms , no . However, if the creature has, say, Nanites instead of cells, could "feel" evolutionary pressures, and lived on a planet near the center of its galaxy, I suppose its possible, granted that the creature is enormous.
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LIGO is huge, but in contrast, LISA Pathfinder is very small. What they definitely do have in common is duality. LIGO is composed of two facilities a couple thousand miles apart, while LISA Pathfinder also has as its heart two free-falling (in orbit) masses. So maybe this could work for a hivemind species that has extremely (extremely extremely extremely extremely extremely extremely extremely) sensitive senses of gravity/acceleration and kinesthetics.
The kinesthetic sense would also have to be modified in that rather than awareness of the spatial orientation of a single organism's limbs, they would instead have awareness of the spacial orientation of the individual organisms in relation to each other.
As for why, maybe they live a very very long time and have evolved this sense from being through solar apocalypses in the past just by sheer virtue of outliving stars, and developing this sense in order to detect the approach of such events in order to prepare (by moving to a different system).
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$\begingroup$ Your last point seems unlikely, since the universe is so young compared to star lifespans. Really, really massive stars have lifespans in the millions of years, which only gives an organism maybe 30k generations to evolve. By comparison, humans went from monkey things to modern people in like 300k generations. It could happen, but it seems like a huge stretch. Especially since the surviving organisms are likely the ones living by smaller, more stable stars with billion+ year lifespans. In an alternate, trillion-year-old universe, this would be more believable to me. $\endgroup$– MichaelSMar 1, 2016 at 1:00
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Many of the answers are based on the assumption that gravitational waves are microscopic phenomena. This is of course not true, gravitational waves are as macroscopic as things get. Two giant bodies, each many many times the mass and density of the Sun, colliding at close to the speed of light and causing violent ripples in the very fabric of spacetime is not a microscopic phenomenon.
On Earth we need very sensitive equipment to detect them because such events happen to be very rare in our cosmological neighborhood, so we need to observe ones that are happening far away. For organisms that evolved in places where it's common for such events to occur nearby (and nearby doesn't mean in the same system, even the same galactic cluster would do), sensing gravitational waves may be as easy as sensing light. The usecase does not have to be very specific either - we didn't evolve to sense light so that we can react to solar phenomena, it just happens to be a type of wave abundant around us so we use its interactions with our enviornment to gain information.
In short, I would argue that if there exists galactic clusters where very massive/dense bodies are quite common, it's not only possible but likely that even ordinary planet-based lifeforms sense gravitational waves as part of daily life.
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$\begingroup$ You are confusing the magnitude of the event causing the gravitational waves with the magnitude of the wave itself. $\endgroup$– L.Dutch ♦May 3, 2020 at 14:27
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$\begingroup$ @L.Dutch-ReinstateMonica I think Shish's reasoning is correct; the strain falls off as $h\propto r^{-1}$, so in a place where there are a large number of mergers, the gravitational wave signals would indeed be quite strong. $\endgroup$– HDE 226868 ♦May 3, 2020 at 15:00