What would the weather be like in an asteroid habitat?

The idea of hollowing out asteroids, spinning them on their longest axis, and filling them with air, water, and soil is common in science fiction (Rendezvous with Rama, or 2312 for good examples). Completely enclosed, the asteroid is an entirely self-sufficient microcosm. It should look something like this:

I’m curious as to what the weather would be like in these terrariums. There are many factors that make the atmosphere in such an enclosed habitat interesting, but two that I would like to focus on to make this question tractable follow.

First, since gravity is being created through centrifugal force it varies a great deal from the inner edge of the asteroid (1G) to the center (0G). This means that there would be a strong Coriolis effect. What effects would this have? Would any clouds constantly be moving in the direction opposite the rotation to an observer on the inner surface? The variable gravity also means atmospheric pressure would be variable from the axis of rotation outward. Assuming the asteroid was filled to a pressure of 1 atmosphere at the surface, how would one compute the pressure at the center, and what effect would the variable pressure have on weather?

Second, the total atmospheric volume is small (at least compared to the earth). What does this mean for the weather? Are weather patterns likely to be less random and more periodic since there are no external influences?

For the purposes of the question the asteroid is spun such that the inner edge is at 1G. As for the dimensions of the asteroid, length and radius, I’ll leave that up to the reader. I would actually be very interested to know what effect changing the dimensions would have on the weather. Light is provided by a big light bulb that moves back and forth along a guideline through the center of the asteroid creating a 24 hour day/night cycle. At "dawn" it turns on at one pole, then moves across the asteroid to the other pole and dims at dusk until it reaches the brightness of a full moon. It then traverses back to the starting pole and starts again. The light is bright enough to mimic full day on earth and emits in the same electromagnetic spectrum. Excess heat is removed from the system by radiators at the poles which maintain the average temperature of the interior at a comfortable 22 degrees C. There is also an active water cycle with lakes and rivers being supplied by precipitation.

• What is the size and shape of the asteroid? Does it look like this ? i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2T56HGc---/… Oct 27, 2014 at 21:20
• Ah, no. It is closed to space. Closer to this: visions2200.com/Images/SpaceHabitatAsteroid.jpg. I'll edit the question to include it. Oct 27, 2014 at 21:24
• Like a dome. I see, And what size ? Oct 27, 2014 at 21:27
• I'm interested in how differences in size would effect the weather, but if you'd like a starting point say, 100 km along the axis of rotation (pole-to-pole), and a diameter of 50 km at its widest point. Oct 27, 2014 at 21:41
• Weather on earth is heavily driven by heat redistribution on a heavily unevenly heated globe. In this case...where does your heating/cooling in this system come from? Is there any difference between night and day as far as heating would go? Is there a sun adding energy to one end of the asteroid and not the other? I'll give some research, but I'm thinking weather would be pretty negated...clouds could be an interesting central swirl if there was enough heat/energy present to build up clouds, but I'm not sure if there would be gravity in the center to actually make it fall. Oct 28, 2014 at 0:21

Here on Earth, the majority of weather-related events happen in a layer of the atmosphere known as the troposphere. It lies from Earth's surface to approximately $20 \text { km}$ - at its highest. Asteroids can range in size from a few meters to $1,000 \text{ km}$, so it's quite likely that we could find one that would be a suitable size for this. I'll pick one about $500 \text { km}$ across - Wikipedia, by the way, claims that only 3 this size likely exist in the asteroid belt.

So, let's say that the asteroid hasn't quite been rounded by its own gravity. It's about $375 \text { km}$ long on two sides and $500 \text { km}$ long on the other - sort of like an ellipse. This means that, assuming a very slight thickness, it has an effective atmosphere $170 \text { km}$ high at its highest. At this height above Earth, we're well above the atmosphere, because we've passed the Karman line. But we'll pretend there's an atmosphere everywhere inside the asteroid, because any gas has a tendency to spread out.

So, there would be a decent troposphere. This means that there could be weather. Here we have a problem, though. Clouds are composed of water droplets, which only get that high in the first place through the water cycle. But the liquid water on Earth's surface only evaporates because of solar radiation - which there is none of here. But perhaps - and this is a pretty big perhaps - the colonists have erected large structures inside the asteroid, and installed a giant artificial heat source to keep the water cycle going. Problem solved.

Rain would also be interesting. I suppose it could fall towards the center of mass, but the local ground would also have a huge influence. For low-altitude clouds, I would imagine it would still fall to the ground. In fact, I'm guessing that the only place it would possibly not fall to the ground would be in the very center of mass - where there is an extremely unstable equilibrium. Eventually, rain will fall.

Let's see. What else? Lightning would still be a possibility, and it could be over very short distances, so watch out! Large storm systems might or might not form - it depends on whether or not the artificial gravity is capable of keeping a lot of liquid water on the surface. Moisture helps storms, so, most of the time, they will go where there's water. Hurricanes, cyclones, and other large-scale weather disasters could be possible, but I'm not sure how likely they would be.

As you said,

Are weather patterns likely to be less random and more periodic since there are no external influences?

I would think so! The clouds can really only go in circles. And because the artificial heat source could be controlled (yes?), perhaps the colonists could manipulate it to move the clouds in a certain direction. They could - to a certain extent - control the weather! Perhaps other apparatuses high in the "sky" could also exert influences to control the weather and keep it regular. Machines could seed clouds or release or capture moisture. I would think, though, that even without this, the weather would be regular. Either it would be stagnant - not a good thing - or it would travel in loops, depending on which way the wind (artificial?) was blowing.

I'm not sure this entirely answers your question, but hopefully it's a start.

• Hot gasses don't move away from a center of mass. They get displaced by colder gas due to the latter's higher density. The center of mass is generally not useful here, since the closer you are to a spherical body, the less gravitational effect you notice inside (see Shell Theorem). Also, the system is by definition dominated by the centrifugal force. I'm also not sure about this reasoning for weather stability; AFAIK the weather is irregular due to it being a chaotic system (see chaos theory), not so much due to irregular external influences. Nov 3, 2014 at 18:15
• I don't see how clouds would form near the ground, since there is more gravity near the ground, and denser cold air would displace the less dense hot air. The hot air will therefore rise away from the ground towards the axis of the asteroid. Rain, being denser than either, would still fall towards the ground, no matter where it was placed within the structure. Dec 24, 2014 at 19:12
• @MarchHo My original reasoning had been to treat the gravitational field of the asteroid as emanating purely from the center of mass, and not being anywhere on the sides; in this case, cold air would rush to the center. I think that may have been a fallacy on my part, though. I'll admit that I don't have a good answer - if any - for that. Dec 24, 2014 at 19:16
• @MarchHo I deleted that section entirely. Thanks for reminding me about it. I had forgotten the problem with it until now. Dec 24, 2014 at 19:22
• @Vandroiy I deleted the section regarding clouds. I only had really, really weak - if not outright wrong - logic backing it up. Thanks for the input; I apologize for not getting back to you about it. Dec 24, 2014 at 19:23

Realistically you can't have a really large rotating cylinder of air. The problem is not the Coriolis force but the air speed difference between the surface (considerable) and the center (zero.) That is going to cause an awful lot of turbulence. If your habitat is big enough you're going to have to do something to prevent that--say, barriers at various altitudes. They wouldn't need to be anything major.

• I've considered the problem of turbulence as a result of different air speeds at different altitudes, but I reached the conclusion that they couldn't exist due to conservation of energy. As the cylinder is spun up there will most certainly be a great deal of turbulence, but once the cylinder is spinning I don't see how it could cause wind or turbulence within the system without the cylinder being slowed down. It doesn't seem right to me that the sealed interior of a rotating cylinder would be able to slow it down, so I think that in a steady-state system there will be no turbulence. Maybe? Oct 28, 2014 at 4:37
• @MikeNichols Conservation of energy doesn't work like that. You are right that turbulence would slow the spin, the resulting energy being lost as heat/vibration/etc is the step you were missing. The spin will slow down gradually over time because of that and need something to spin it up again. Oct 29, 2014 at 9:54
• @TimB Just as a thought experiment, if I took a tin can, filled it with a mixture of air and water and, gently pushed it out of the ISS with a good spin, what would happen? Do you believe that the rotation would gradually slow until the can no longer spun? Oct 29, 2014 at 15:04
• @MikeNichols That would depend on what happens with the air inside the can. If the air freezes in place or just spins smoothly then no. If the air is turbulent inside as a result of the spin then yes. The spin would generate turbulence, which would heat the air, that heat would then radiate away and the can would (very gradually) slow down. Oct 29, 2014 at 15:13
• I'm thinking there would only be turbulence until the atmosphere is "at rest" within the rotating asteroid. Once that is achieved it should be calm unless energy is added. Think of it like a solid. Aug 31, 2015 at 7:23

Is having one huge hole dozens of kilometers high and long a hard requirement?

Simpler solution would be to have tunnels and possibly halls few dozens of meters high. You can easily manage air, light and humidity by existing technologies. And in the center near the axis you can build manufacturing which can benefit from zero gravity.

Such structure would be also stronger and more resilient to say being hit by space debris.