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Quick Lore Explanation

In my world, a sapient species of Octopus evolved in Australia. They have their shenanigans there, but later find out a way to cross the Indian Ocean to get to Africa, where they live a nomadic life depending on the changing water temperature during the seasons (In the winter when there is colder water temperatures they go up the coast, and in the summer where that coast is too warm they come back down to the Southern tip of Africa.). They have feuds with Fishermen, sinking their boats and just generally interfering with any human activities related to the water

Basically, there is sapient octopus that live on the coasts of Southern and East Africa.

Now according to this map below, during the 1st Century AD, the Romans traveled and traded as far south as modern-day Tanzania, whose coast these Octopus would inhabit during the winter. map of roman travel expansion

Some adventurous Travelers or Merchants return from the East African coast with tales of Octopus the size of men attacking fisherman boats with tridents and interacting with an odd friendly human or two. A Roman Emperor hears of these tales and becomes obsessed with the idea of having one of those Colosseum naval battles but with the octopuses.

So they send out an expedition to Rhapta on the East African Coast to retrieve one of these Sapient Octopus for them.

My question here in this post is if it is possible for Romans, with 1st century AD tech, to be able to get the Octopus from the waters of East Africa to the Colosseum in Rome. Assuming that finding and catching the Octopus isn't a problem.

Notes:

  • Yes, the setup for this is very unlikely.

  • The octopus isn't coming willingly

  • The octopus can't indefinitely breathe out of water, so its gonna need to be in water the whole way there

  • The temperature of the water the Octopus is in can't go higher than about 26-28 C, otherwise they'll overheat.

  • This sapient Octopus species has the same size and proportions as the Giant Pacific Octopus

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  • $\begingroup$ do you mean tales? $\endgroup$
    – ths
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    $\begingroup$ Around Tanzania, the water temperatures only change by 4 to 5 degrees Celsius between the seasons. Are you sure this would actually make them migrate longer distances? $\endgroup$ Commented yesterday
  • $\begingroup$ Around 25 C is already on the edge of what this Octopus species could feasibly live in (Bigger Octopus of their size typically live in colder waters, the Giant Pacific Octopus which I based it on for example has a max of around 15C, Maori Octopus are around 17 C), I'm just assuming that the difference even that small is enough to make even these hardy ones go back south $\endgroup$
    – KaffeeByte
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Yes, the Romans were capable of transporting live aquatic animals in the 1st Century AD

According to Pliny the Elder, in Book 9 of Natural History, he describes Emperor Claudius’s fleet commander collecting live parrot fish from the Black Sea and transporting them back to the Mediterranean to create a local population closer to Rome. Since Claudius reigned from 41AD to 54AD, we can conclusively say that Rome had this capability in the 1st century.

Based on a shipwreck found near the town of Grado, Italy we have a pretty good idea about how they did it too. This ship contained a large aquarium onboard that was feed a fresh supply of oxygenated water by means of a hand pump. This aquarium had a volume of 7 cubic meters and is believed to have been able to support about 200kg of live fish indefinitely. So, such a ship could have transported 2 such man-sized octopuses.

Given this capability, the Romans could have taken the octopuses from the East Coast of Africa, sailed across the Canal of the Pharaohs which connected the Red Sea to the Nile at the time, and then taken the Nile North to the Mediterranean Sea, and from there it's a straight shot to Rome.

There is some controversy about whether or not the Canal of the Pharaohs was functional during the proposed time frame due to the story of Cleopatra sending her ship over land to reach the Red Sea. Some claim this is because the canal was silted over, others because it was blocked by bandits, and the language regarding Hadrian's renovations make it unclear if he was restoring or redirecting the canal in the 2nd century... but all of this may be a moot point. The story of Cleopatra sending her ship over land makes it clear that the Egyptians knew how to haul ships over land; so, even if this water way was blocked in parts, that would not automatically make it untraversable. Worst case scenario, the tank may have to go a few days without replacing any of the water while they haul the boat or transfer the octopus via a heavy wagon, but water replacement is a long-term issue. On the short term, they could just repump the water they have in the tank to keep O2 levels up. Their time spent going over land would not be enough for the tank to become dangerously contaminated.

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    $\begingroup$ worth noting they would need to guard an unwilling intelligent octupus of that size as it should be able to break out of such an aquarium relatively easily. transport may well be a secondary concern. $\endgroup$
    – John
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  • $\begingroup$ Great answer, but note that the Canal of the Pharaohs was seemingly blocked from at least the time of Cleopatra and not reopened until Traian. That said, while fresh water would be a complication, the fairly short overland transportation seems well within the reach of Roman logistics. $\endgroup$
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  • $\begingroup$ Might have needed a few attempts but they should have been able to overcome those issues with a more robust tank. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @Kirt Yes, replacing the water and oxygenating the water are 2 different things. You need to oxygenate it every day, but this can be done by pumping water from the tank back into it. Replacing the water does not need to be done nearly as often. You need to replace about 20% of the water in a saltwater tank every 1-2 weeks. At most you need to travel about 200 miles over land and brackish water which can easily be managed within that time frame. $\endgroup$
    – Nosajimiki
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    $\begingroup$ @FrançoisJurain dragging an animal for thousands of miles in a cage, net, etc. sounds like a good way to kill it. Over 1 in 4 fish caught in a drag net die due to injuries, and those only pull fish a few miles before being hauled up. A tank significantly reduces hazards associated with currents slamming the octopus against the bars. As for food, yes, it is a concern, but no more so than all the other giant predators the Romans were able to transport; so, it should not be an insurmountable problem. $\endgroup$
    – Nosajimiki
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No. (Updated)

This boils down to the following tests. Could the Romans:

  • Keep a large octopus alive in captivity for long periods of time?
  • Contain and transport live pelagic creatures aboard a ship of the era?
  • Ever sail a ship from Rome to the Red Sea and back?
  • Conduct trade with East Africa?

Previous answers have treated these questions like a checklist: if we can say "yes" to all of them, the answer to the top-level question must also be yes. Yet these aren't separate questions: when combined, the difficulty increases exponentially, to the point where I'm confident that the Romans could not achieve all of them together.

Keeping the octopus alive: they're not just fish with arms

Octopus anatomy

Speaking from an aquarist's perspective, keeping octopuses (and cuttlefish) poses some distinct challenges compared to fish and other aquatic life. They're quite delicate creatures and can easily be killed in transport.

Keeping the water cold

GPOs prefer 10C water and will tolerate up to 12-13C. Your octopuses seem to be hardier in this regard, but how high can they go?

Keeping the water fresh

See e.g. Keeping cephalopods in captivity:

An octopus produces approximately three times more ammonia than a fish of a similar mass; partly due to its having three hearts and therefore three times the oxygen requirement of fish. As a result oxygen levels should always be kept as high as possible. To do this (and to remove all the excess waste) always use oversized filters and skimmers.

The most significant challenge: when they're stressed or perceive danger, they eject a cloud of ink. In an aquarium, this can quickly suffocate them unless the water is immediately scrubbed:

When an octopus feels threatened it may eject viscous ink as a smoke screen. Although it is not poisonous it can and will coat gills and this may lead to asphyxiation. The ink can often be removed by catching it in a fine net but protein skimmers and good quality carbon is a must have! Always work slowly to avoid startling a new octopus.

Perhaps your sapient octopuses can suppress this reflex, but for how long?

Feeding the octopus

They also need live food on a regular basis. GPOs can survive for long periods of time with no food, but this will increase their stress level.

Perhaps your sapient octopuses are willing to take what they can get.

Containing the octopus

A GPO needs a container of sufficient size in order to survive. The 50 gal pithoi mentioned in comments will only suffice for short periods of time; for long water journeys, you're looking at effectively building a long-term aquarium onboard, with all the attendant difficulties.

A GPO can escape through a two-inch hole: its only hard body part is its beak. They're fantastic at escaping, and human-level intelligence would only make them more so.

Heavy metals in the water

Given the metals the Romans had access to, they'd have immense difficulty building a containment vessel and associated hardware for the octopus that wouldn't poison it, considering that even a trace level of many common metals is fatal to them. There are examples in the aquarium community of cephalopods killed when their keeper put their hands in the water after touching a copper object, for example. Modern tap water that far exceeds EPA standards will readily kill invertebrates if the copper in it is not chemically detoxified. Tin is also toxic.

(Lead is also hazardous, though "what lead concentration is safe for a captive octopus" is understandably difficult to research in the modern literature.)

Considering that bronze played such a prominent role in Roman tools, and that Roman pumps and pipes were fashioned out of bronze and lead, it's hard to imagine they'd adhere to safe handling standards in this regard.

Putting this all together

Assuming this was attempted, my guess would be that the octopus would sicken and die within days, in a container that could transport live fish indefinitely with no problems. This is the modal experience for naive or unprepared octopus-keepers, even with modern aquarium technology, after all.

Even with full access to modern technology and marine science, there are many species that we cannot keep alive in aquariums. Imagine this scenario: the Romans capture a sapient octopus that doesn't want to be caught, put it in a tank on board the ship, somehow know not to use any of their most common metals in any pumps or fixtures or pipes or fasteners, are capable of pumping enough water at the right temperature and salinity through the tank to keep it alive... and then it dies because someone used a copper mug to drop its food into the tank several days ago. What's more likely: that the Romans, further from home than almost any of their compatriots have ever traveled, in barely-known territory aboard a round-hulled trading ship, would sit down and conduct a thorough post-incident review and determine the chemical cause of death, and then go and catch another octopus? Or would they conclude "octopuses just die when you put them in a tank and we don't know why"?

There's a lot more complexity I'm not getting into here. For further reading, see:

Keeping aquatic animals alive on board ship

Grado pump

While the Romans did have shipborne tanks for transporting live fish (naves vivariae), the Grado wreck is the only extant example of what may be a shipborne pump for refreshing the water, and that is disputed. See Comment on a Recent Article Concerning the Hydraulic System of the Roman Wreck at Grado, Gorizia, Italy, cited from the Maritime hydraulics in antiquity Wikipedia article. As the article states, no other naves vivariae had this capability, and it's quite likely the pump was used for something else.

Seawater to freshwater

Nonetheless, this relies on the immediate and constant availability of native seawater that sustains the animal. Even granting the existence, availability, and function of the Canal of the Pharaohs, the hypothesized route via this canal does not cross from the Red Sea directly to the Mediterranean (the Suez route). Instead, it traverses the Nile, which is freshwater. The rapid desalination of a saltwater habitat will kill almost any marine animals inside; even a minor fluctuation of salinity will do it. Octopus in particular are vulnerable. I found this article when researching lead levels in octopus: " Abnormal mortality of octopus after a storm water event":

In summary, the results in this study showed that a short-term runoff event might change abruptly the salinity leading to the disruption of the osmoregulation function of octopus and consequently leading to its death.

In any case, "don't put freshwater in your saltwater tank unless you want everything in there to die" is Aquariums 101.

Can the Romans transport enough seawater to keep it alive for the weeks it takes to cross? Will recirculating that seawater do it? Not unless they've invented filtration of ammonia and other toxins. Can they salinate seawater to the right levels, with no test equipment (nontrivial even with modern tech, to the point where people buy seawater by the gallon for their reef tanks)? I'm maximally skeptical.

Getting there at all

The cited document, the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, does indeed describe Roman contact and trade with East Africa. I'm not a classicist, but if you dig further into the Wikipedia article, it mentions that the author likely originated from the Roman port of Berenice; that is, on the eastern coast of Egypt itself.

Just because

  • the Romans traded via ship,
  • the Romans traded goods with East-Central Africa and the Indian subcontinent,
  • the Romans ever successfully took ships from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea,

it doesn't follow that the conjunction must be true, that unbroken Roman maritime trade occurred between East-Central Africa and Egypt. The red dotted line on the Wikipedia Periplus map is misleading: goods would change hands, and transports, many times over the course of the journey. See this map, from the article on Roman commerce:

Map

Reading further into the Indo-Roman trade relations article makes it clear that the primary Roman trading ports were along the eastern coast of Egypt. My research has found no evidence of any maritime trade between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea/Indian Ocean. This article states:

Roman trade through the Red Sea corridor began in Ostia or Puteoli from which ships traveled to Alexandria and then Coptos on the Nile. It took about 20 days for the ships to reach Alexandria from Italy and another 11-12 days to move the goods down the Nile to Coptos[...]

The merchandise arriving at Coptos was carried overland by camel caravans to the Red Sea ports of Berenike and Myos Hormos. It took about seven days for the caravans to make their way to Myos Hormos (177 km or 110 mi) and twelve days to more southerly Berenike (370 km or 230 mi).[...]

Final note

GPOs really aren't that big and wouldn't be particularly spectacular to fight. They may look big in some photos, especially with their tentacles and web spread, but they're realistically a basketball-sized body connected to some tentacles considerably smaller than your arm. See this absolutely adorable video of the octopus aquarist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium caring for Chica the GPO.

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    $\begingroup$ The Romans probably would try to build the aquarium from earthenware, which is much easier to work with than metals. They'd probably have difficulties building a person-sized one, but they should be able to build one from multiple boards and seal the seams with something that does not kill the octopi: Tar, or resin, possibly coated with some varnish that hardens into something non-toxic. The Romans were pretty adept at adapting things to make them work, and they wouldn't think twice to experiment with enough captured specimens until they find something good enough that the "beasts" survive. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ You need an aquarium of hundreds if not thousands of gallons to host an octopus of this size. The Giant Pacific Octopus at the Monterey Bay Aquarium has an enclosure the size of a small backyard swimming pool. This weighs literal tons. I'd been assuming it'd be made out of wood; I'm unaware of any watertight, much less shipborne, earthen liquid containers of this size prior to the modern era. But second, even if they did, there's still the question of pumps, fixtures, filtration, etc.: does the input water touch any heavy metals at any point? If so, slow death. Invertebrates are a challenge. $\endgroup$ Commented yesterday
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    $\begingroup$ Roman hydraulic pumps were typically made of bronze or lead: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_hydraulics_in_antiquity . The article on the Grado shipwreck mentions lead pipes: rogueclassicism.com/2011/06/02/… It's important to note that there are many aquatic species today that can't be kept alive in the aquarium, and in many cases we have no idea why. We put them in a tank, give them everything we think they need, and they waste away and die. No reason to believe the ancient Romans would be any different. $\endgroup$ Commented yesterday
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    $\begingroup$ I personally think the biggest problem is, as you mentioned, their infamously great talent at escaping whatever is holding them. Octopus are already natural-born Houdini's, now imagine that they have intelligence on par with humans, even if they made the enclosure the most octopus friendly place on Earth they'd still likely not be able to prevent it from escaping during the long trip to Rome. The only way I could think of it maybe working is if the cage itself was made by an Octopus, but that would require a whole new situation and circumstances $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @toolforger: The ancient were great masters at making very large ceramic vessels which are called pithoi by archeologists. The typical marine pithos, used to transport grain or oil in ships, held about 200 liters or 50 US gallons; on land, even larger pithoi were used as storage containers, usually kept buried to their necks. $\endgroup$
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The ancient Romans captured and transported lots of dangerous exotic animals from as far away as India. Moving an octopus seems fairly straightforward, considering that they transported tigers and elephants - you either need a big box with a way to refresh the water regularly, or perhaps you can just drag the octopus in a net or cage behind the ship. All a bit tricky but low-tech, nothing expendable slave labor can't solve. After about the 1st century, the Romans had a Suez Canal, so they can transport it entirely by water. Before that, crossing the Suez Isthmus would be trickier, but I'm pretty confident that they'd figure it out. It's worth noting that water temperatures around the Red Sea and Suez Canal can go above your acceptable range, so you'll probably have to avoid the summer months (they might lose an octopus or two before they figure that out though).

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    $\begingroup$ There had been, off and on, a canal between the Red Sea and the Nile since the 700s or so BC. The canal was reconstructed by Trajan. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @elemtilas I'm aware, but before Trajan the canal had been impassable at least since the time of Cleopatra, so wasn't available to the first few emperors. Of course, if Nero really wants an octopus, maybe he sends a bunch of slaves to dig out the canal sooner and we get lots of butterfly effect fun. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @Nosajimiki: We know for sure that the canal was no longer navigable in the first century BCE, because it was not available to Cleopatra when she attempted to flee after losing the battle of Actium. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @Nosajimiki: Plutarch, Life of Antony, 69: "The isthmus, namely, which separates the Red Sea from the Mediterranean Sea off Egypt and is considered to be the boundary between Asia and Libya, in the part where it is most constricted by the two seas and has the least width, measures three hundred furlongs. Here Cleopatra undertook to raise her fleet out of water and drag the ships across, and after launching them in the Arabian Gulf with much money and a large force, to settle in parts outside of Egypt, thus escaping war and servitude." At Perseus etc. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ @Nosajimiki: She was trying to get her ships over the isthmus of Suez from what is now Port Said to what is now Suez. The bandits were from Petra, the ships did not get anywhere near. In the antiquity, what we call Red Sea was usually called the Arabian Gulf, Sinus Arabicus, and what they usually called the Red Sea, Mare Erythraeum, we call the Arabian Sea in the Indian Ocean. So that their Sinus Arabicus was an arm of their Mare Erythraeum. For example the famous ancient work of geography Periplus Maris Erythraei. $\endgroup$
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