# Converting mars’ atmosphere to water

So, I have come to the decision that there is no one easy way to bring water to Mars. So, in light of that, i have decided on several methods which will be used simultaneously, and which I hope will be able to restore the martian oceans in under a century. These include shattering Phobos to release its ice content, mining Ceres and ejecting the ice to Mars, capturing comets and redirecting them to the red planet, and using heliobeams to melt the ice caps.

Another method that occurs to me is one that moss originally proposed for terraforming venus; namely releasing hydrogen into the co2 atmosphere where it reacts to form water by the Bosch reaction. How much hydrogen would it take to convert the whole martian atmosphere, and how much water would then be produced?

Please note that I do not expect there to be a lot of water produced by this method; Mars atmosphere is thin, I know, but there is still a large co2 content and this method is working with other methods, do remember.

• How much hydrogen? There's 1 H in H2O...so water is 33% hydrogen.....take the amount of water you want to create and multiply it by 0.33 in order to get the exact and precise amount of hydrogen you need.
– user100394
Commented Jan 14, 2023 at 13:36
• Also terraforming new planets is always a stupid idea. If you have the thousands of trillion of dollars needed to terraform a new planet...then you have enough money to build a cheaper giant spaceship with inside an artificial environment....the planet costs way more and it's stuck in one place, a ship can literally travel the universe and it's easier to repair a ship than to repair a planet, so your question would need to be "who is crazy enough to terraform a planet?"
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Commented Jan 14, 2023 at 13:39
• Mars has about 25,000 billion tonnes of atmosphere. Earth's ocean contains 1,300,000,000 billion tonnes of water. If you somehow convert all the mass of the atmosphere of Mars into water, you will only obtain about 0.002% of the amount of water in Earth's ocean. OK, Mars is smaller than Earth, but still. (Even Earth's atmosphere, which is very very very much denser than the atmosphere of Mars, is only about 0.4% of the mass of the ocean.) Commented Jan 14, 2023 at 13:55
• @Cataphract There's two H's in both H2 and H2O, so the molar amounts are equal. But we're probably working with mass rather than molarity here, and oxygen (m=16) is much heavier than hydrogen (m=1), so only 11% of water mass is hydrogen. Commented Jan 14, 2023 at 14:08
• Does this answer your question? How much of Mars is covered if 10 quadrillion tonnes of water fall on it? Commented Jan 14, 2023 at 19:42

Let's start with something we do know. The weight of earths atmosphere.

The total mass of Earth’s atmosphere is about 5.5 quadrillion tons, or roughly one millionth of Earth’s mass. -Encyclopedia Britannica

Knowing this, we can then account for the difference surface area.

Earth's surface area is around 510,072,000 Km2, and mars' is 144,370,000 Km2, or 0.283 earths. -Wolfram Alpha

Mars' atmosphere is 0.636 Kpa, compared to 100 Kpa or 0.00628 earths. Using this, we can guess that there is about 34,540,000,000,000 tonnes of gas. But theres a problem with this, we assume that mars is the same size as earth. Accounting for mars much smaller and thus having less surface area, we get around 9,774,820,000,000 tonnes total, of which a negligible amount isn't carbon dioxide.

Carbon dioxide is 72.71 percent oxygen by weight, and water is 88.81 percent oxygen by weight, making a 16.1 percent difference, or the amount of weight lost by turning the CO2 into H2O. After all is accounted for, we get about 8,201,073,980,000 tonnes of water, or a brick of water about 20 kilometers square.

## Plan B

20 cubic kilometers is a lot, but not that much, and doing so will use up the atmosphere. If you have massive sun-pumped lasers, you can forget about trying to destroy mars' moons for their water.

Contrary to what you'd expect, mars has loads of water and oxygen, bound in oxides and carbonates of its soil. To release it, all you need to do is burn it. Pyrolysis releases upwards of 700 kilograms of oxygen and 50 of carbon dioxide per cubic meter melted. The best way to do this is using massive orbital lasers.

If you're efficient, you just need to burn the first 8 meters of the entire surface to get enough. This also gives you the opportunity to reshape the planet and decide where you want river basins and oceans to be.

A happy side-effect of cooking the planet with lasers is that you'd melt the polar ice caps and deep-rock reservoirs of water ice. All in all, you'd need to import a negligible amount of water to finish your project.

The biggest issue you will face is getting the 70 percent nitrogen that our atmosphere has, which you'd need to import from Venus or the moon of Saturn, titan. Somewhere in the ballpark of 3000 trillion tonnes of it.

THAT will be a much bigger issue than getting enough water. If you'd like a realistic breakdown, then look at this video by kurzgesagt.

• Kim Stanley Robison's Mars trilogy had a flying lens and orbital mirror array that was used to vaporise parts of Mars' surface to dig canals and thicken the atmosphere using sunlight alone. You probably won't get much free oxygen this way, because you'll also get a load of other vaporised stuff that'll recombine with the oxygen as it cools and then rain out back onto the surface as a sort of lava-slag Commented Jan 15, 2023 at 10:59

Well, lets try to get an estimate going.

Phobos has a mass of 1.065e16 kg, Deimos about 1.476e14 kg. Both of them are classified as Carbonaceous chondrite asteroids. Which is actually interesting on its own. According to Wikipedia, such asteroids contain high amounts of Water Ice, between 3-22%. So, lets say both have 15% Water by mass.

That would mean we get a total of 1.065e16kg * 0.15 + 1.476e14kg * 0.15 = 1.619e15kg of Water. Which equates to roughly 1,619,000,000,000 m³ of Water. Or 1.62 Trillion m³. Quiet a lot, but not really.

Earth has 1386 billion km³ of Water. All of the ice from the two moons would yield 1619 km³. Or 0.0001168%. Not a great start. And again this assumes both of them have unusually high amounts of Water in them. And that we can efficently process it AND make it not evaporate in the almost non exsistant atmosphere.

Now, a good question might be how much Water we actually need. This is actually a bit of a hard one to answer since we dont have a lot of data for this. But, if we want say 50% of the Surface covered in 10 Meters of Water on Average, we can get an idea.

Mars has a Surface area of 144,800,000 km². Half of that is 144800000/2 and we want all of this 10 meters under water so 144800000/2 * 0.01 (SI Units) = 724000 km³.

So, we can now see how much of that total our Asteroids provide. Which is 0.22%. Also not a great start.

And here it gets magical. If we are super good willing, we can say Mars itself has 1% of the Water we need trapped somewhere. In Ice, the ground or whatever. So, we need to find a way to get 98.8% of the rest from somewhere else. Thats a lot of Material which will have to impact the ground on Mars.

You mentioned using the Atmosphere for this. That is a horrible idea. We need the Atmosphere to prevent the Water from boiling off or worse becoming ice. Nobody is helped if we ship 3/4 of a Million km³ of ice to Mars only to have it freez into Pack ice. If you want oceans you need to first get the Atmosphere going to even allow liquid Water to exsist.

This is why Venus is a infinitly better candidate for Terraforming. Venus already has the Gravity to hold on to an atmosphere and a lot of Co2 which has uses. On Mars, you neither get Gravity or Co2. All you get is two pathetic moons and a toxic desert.

And i hope the numbers above illustrate the issue. Where do you plan to get basically 700000 km³ of Water from ? Sure, Ceres has more than that. But its all frozen in thick sheets and covered by millions of tons of Rock and Pack Ice. Thats the sort of Ice you need explosives to get going. The sheer energy envolved in Mining the ice would realistically halt the project dead in its tracks.

Another issue is heating. For all intend, you are planning to drop a 700000km³ Asteroid made of Water / ice on Mars. It dosnt matter if you do it piece by piece or all at once. That energy will have to go somewhere. That is a sphere of Ice 55 kilometers across moving at Interplanetary speeds. On Earth this would be an extinction level event not seen before. On Mars, which is a lot smaller than Earth, its even worse. You need to allow the Planet to cool down and deliver the ice with as little energy as possible. Which means long transfer times, very slow process and so on. Since you prosumably dont want to blow away the Atmosphere you are also creating.

All of this leads me to say that Terraforming Mars might be possible on a Time Scale of a few 1000 years. But if you try to do it in 100 it will fail.