There is an alternate Earth that I've been building and rebuilding for years. The canonized point of departure is 56 million years ago, specifically a Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum that is four to five times longer than in our timeline. So the sophont primates of this alternate Earth, the elves, aren't simians but "xenosimians" of the family Allopithecidae, not Hominidae. Nevertheless, they shared some historical parallels, right down to the interbreeding with the dwarves and a mysterious "Third Race".

Long ago, I asked a question regarding the construction of metal weapons without the use of iron at all. In the answers selection, many candidates have been suggested, and they are:

  1. Titanium Alumnide
  2. Nickel Superalloy
  3. Nickel Alumnide
  4. Stellite
  5. Tungsten Carbide
  6. Zirconium Carbide
  7. An alloy of Titanium and Tungsten

These are all compelling choices, and ones that would make elvish stonemasonry, weaponry, armory and later construction stand out from those in humanity's time. But the real life problem with those materials is scarcity. There might not be enough for any of them in the world to forge weapons and armor on countless armies of soldiers.

So, in possible lieu of the materials listed above, there has to be a more common, more readily available metal for post-Bronze Age elves to extract and use for defensive, masonry and constructive purposes. Metal that, used on a soldier, would be lighter than iron, stronger than iron and able to delay the rusting process by many, many centuries. Metal that, in constructing a skyscraper, would be lighter than human steel, stronger than human steel and able to delay the rusting process by many, many centuries.

But could such a metal have formed naturally on this alternate Earth at a maximum date limit of 56 million years?

  • $\begingroup$ Are you talking about existing metal, or fictitious new element? $\endgroup$
    – Alexander
    Commented Dec 14, 2021 at 21:16
  • $\begingroup$ Alloys do not, generally, form naturally. New metals do not form at all, because metals are elemental. Under hard-science, the answer is trivially "No". $\endgroup$
    – jdunlop
    Commented Dec 14, 2021 at 21:44
  • $\begingroup$ (To be clear, the only alloys that are encountered "in the wild" are electrum - an alloy of silver and gold, because gold is unreactive and the minerals are often found near each other - and nickel-iron, generally sourced from meteorites.) $\endgroup$
    – jdunlop
    Commented Dec 14, 2021 at 21:49
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    $\begingroup$ @JohnWDailey - if it's a fictitious new element, you're also abandoning hard-science. There are no gaps on the periodic table into which a new element could be inserted unless a lot of physical laws are changed. $\endgroup$
    – jdunlop
    Commented Dec 14, 2021 at 22:01
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    $\begingroup$ @jdunlop Not so fast! There is the whole 'island of stability' hypothesis that there may be many, many stable super-heavy elements out there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability) This is still very unproven, though! Not much use for reality-check. $\endgroup$
    – PipperChip
    Commented Dec 14, 2021 at 23:20

3 Answers 3


Gonna go ahead and make this an answer:


At the time of answer, the following constraints were in effect:

  • hard-science
  • the material should ideally be a metal
  • the material must be lighter than human steel
  • the material must be stronger than human steel
  • the material should not oxidize and be resistant to weathering
  • the material must be naturally-forming

It's that last one that's particularly damning. Assuming advanced chemistry and metallurgy, there are (as pointed out in the question) a number of alloys that might fit the bill, but all of them require chemical or physical refinement and careful proportional alloying. Most alloys do not form in nature, due to a lack of a) metallic deposits in proximity to one another in the correct ratios, and b) the necessary physical processes to alloy them. Exceptions include electrum (pretty, but displaying none of the properties desired) and meteor iron (already dismissed).

There is no way to "slot in" a new elemental metal under the auspices of the hard-science tag, because there are no open slots on the periodic table. The only place for "new" metals is way off the end, and the molar mass of those elements means that "lighter than steel" is definitely a non-starter.

Carbon fibre kind of fits the bill, being lighter and stronger than steel, but you'd have to do some rapid handwaving to suggest a biological process that could produce it and the resinous matrix required to make it useful as armour or construction material. And, of course, it's not a metal.

Given the constraints, I don't see any way to make a suitable material naturally-occurring.


Meteoric iron.

https://sites.wustl.edu/meteoritesite/items/metal-iron-nickel/ meteor

Sawn, polished, and etched slab of the Gibeon (IVA) iron meteorite. Gibeon has a finer Widmanstätten pattern than does Campo del Cielo. Widmanstätten patterns only occur on sawn, polished, and etched faces of an iron meteorite. They do not occur in stony meteorites. The linear lamellae are intergrowths of crystals of kamacite and taenite. The crystals are large because they cooled slowly over millions of years in the core of an asteroid. One consequence of this slow cooling is that iron meteorites do not easily bend or break unless they are badly rusted.

56 million years is not very long in geologic time. So if there is going to be a metal unique to this variant earth, it is going to have to fall out of the sky. Fortunately there is metal that does that!

Your elves do not smelt the meteor metal. That would ruin the huge space-grown crystals and make the metal weaker. The elves carve the meteor blocks into what they need using garnet-coated rope saws. Fine work for tools is done using sapphire chisels.

  • $\begingroup$ It's still iron. Not what I want. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2021 at 0:15
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    $\begingroup$ .. and rare too.. but these weapons actually exist !! +1 for hard-science, bronze age iron artifacts (daggers) were found, produced from meteoric iron sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171204094937.htm $\endgroup$
    – Goodies
    Commented Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04

Rock from Space

Monel - a Nickle / Copper alloy common when high-strength and high-corrosion resistance are required - has been identified in meteorites.

Virtually any combination of metals is possible in a meteorite - in fact, as an example, Iridium is very, very rare on Earth because it is so dense that most of it sunk into the core when the Earth formed. Iridium is commonly used to identify and date large meteorite craters because it is significantly more common in space than on Earth.

Iridium could Be the Answer

I intended to suggest that your Titanium Alumnide was supplied by a space rock, but now that I've pulled up the wikipedia page for Iridium I think that might be your answer.

Iridium is among the hardest, densest, most corrosion resistant metal identified. If your elves could find some way to work it - or if the meteor impact simply provided roughly weapon shaped shards for them to use - they could have among the best swords and maces physically possible.

Iridium is so rare and hard to work with, we don't really have a good understanding of its alloys or their properties: you're probably good to make up a wonder-alloy and no one will be able to call you out on it until we start mining asteroids in bulk.



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