I've got my stone mages who can manipulate earth (let's define earth as silicon dioxide). They can form protective barriers, raise platforms for them to stand on, or lift entire boulders to lob at those who look at them funny. Now they do not conjure up earth out of nothing - they have to pull it up from the ground.

incompetent artist's conception

Some more details regarding the manipulation:

  • At its core this is nothing but telekinesis. A stone mage can achieve anything a bulldozer can. But the mage has precision, they can control individual grains if necessary. Of course when picking up those grains, water and other impurities will go with it by virtue of sticking to the sand.
  • Rocks are manipulated just as well as grains of sand (really just tiny rocks). There's a great deal of force behind the magic; any novice can expel 500 Newtons on a bad day, experts can briefly channel 200 kilo-Newtons. Force can generally be maintained for up to ten seconds, and there's also a limitation on how much force can be applied to a mass of rock (otherwise one could accelerate pebbles to relativistic speeds).
  • Rocks can be turned into sand by essentially grinding them down; however this takes energy and there's usually enough sand around. Sand can be turned into rock, but only kinds of sedimentary rock that are created via pressure (and desiccation as pressure can push the water out).
  • The range of the effect is 10 meters omnidirectional (regardless of line of sight), and 50 meters within line of sight. Of course you can throw something farther if it is given all required energy within the range.

That being said, simply lifting up soil vertically is not going to create a lasting barrier because there's a void below it, where the barrier was. It would fall right back down. So, my solution is that the earth they manipulate becomes "fluffy". There's a lot of air inside the barrier and in the sub-surface ground holding it up.

According to Banach and Tarski, this can be done without difference in properties. But we are dealing with discrete particles: the grains of sand making up the dirt being used. So this becomes a stacking problem. Using the fewest grains possible, construct a wall with sufficient compressive strength to hold a person and stop a projectile. Using too much earth would make the ground around one's magic activities too fluffy! Then we could have our fighters end up sinking in quicksand.

The strength requirement for the fluffy barrier is a value judgement, so I looked around for materials that are about as sturdy as what I imagine the barrier requires at a minimum. I landed on water ice; which according to Wikipedia has a compressive strength of 3 megapascals. That compares to 60 for sandstone and 7 for light bricks. Ice is also a fun comparison value given the broader context of the setting, which I'm afraid may not be mentioned by name.

So the question becomes; assuming a typical mound of earth to source from, and the magical manipulation of each individual grain (but no strength holding it up after the deed is done). How much earth, in weight, is required for a given volume of fluffy earth barrier to be as strong as water ice? In other words, what is the density of this barrier?

I understand if nobody has ever stacked grains of sand in perfect configurations and a lot of the knowledge is unknown. But I would still really appreciate an order-of-magnitude approximation, if it can be provided, so that I know whether my stone mages would need to worry about creating quicksand below their footing during an extended fight scene.

One other strategy, thanks to the contributions of AdrianColomitchi and PcMan in the comments, is to take as much soil as necessary from the ground (becoming fluffy in the process), and compress that into hard rock for your barrier. Again, only sedimentary rock is possible here.

fluffy proposal 2

So for the second version, one needs to know the ratio of the densities of the barrier and of (standard soil minus fluffy soil = removed earth) to get the picture of how much sand is required for a barrier.

  • $\begingroup$ Can the mages only move earth, or can they subdivide existing rock into new sand, or can the re-solidify sand back into rock too? If the latter, then look ye to Aerogels, where one gets a decent strength of structure for a ludicrously small mass requirement. $\endgroup$
    – PcMan
    Oct 28, 2021 at 9:57
  • $\begingroup$ @PcMan for this question I am going with that they can only move about rocks and sand. Turning rock to sand would be possible but require a ton of energy (and usually there's plenty of sand around), turning sand to rock is beyond their skills - best they can do is mechanically compress sand, not fuse it together, and most earth found in nature is already compressed. $\endgroup$
    – KeizerHarm
    Oct 28, 2021 at 10:02
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    $\begingroup$ If you use a totally magicless shovel, you can fluff the sand by about 16% naturally Loose sand has a density of 1442 kg/m3...Packed sand is known to have a density of around 1682 kg/m3. Without any magic, that's the max "fluffiness" you'll obtain - any more than that will make the sand to fall in a more compact state under its own weight, without even the weight of an ant on top of it. $\endgroup$ Oct 28, 2021 at 12:37
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    $\begingroup$ @KeizerHarm in that case you would see different strategies I think. For example instead of fluffy* barriers people would dig up the sand in front and push it towards them, creating simultaneously a ditch and a barrier of packed sand with more mass to block projectiles. And with 2+ton capabilities that is going to be necessary. The weight matters for how much energy your mages can output when launching projectiles for example unless you have some rule that their lifting capacity is about volume and force is a different metric/skill. *fluffy sounds much more fun than porous. $\endgroup$
    – Demigan
    Oct 28, 2021 at 13:02
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    $\begingroup$ @Demigan Thank you for your insights :) Energy output depends highly on the mage and their focus at the time, but it ranges from 500 Newton by a novice on a bad day to 200 kN by a highly skilled mage for brief instances. There's also a limit on force per mass; they can't accelerate a pebble to relativistic speeds. I could figure out numbers here too but you're right that there would be different strategies and pushing a barrier before oneself is one of them. $\endgroup$
    – KeizerHarm
    Oct 28, 2021 at 13:08

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Unfortunately, I don't think physics is going to support either idea as stated. Sand, dirt, and other similar substances are "granular materials" and all of their strength comes from the friction of particles rubbing against each other.

In order for sand to have any strength at all the particles must be in tight contact with all the other particles around them. In your fluffy sand concept, you are purposefully separating the particles to fill a larger volume than normal, which means the particles are not compacted, and will have virtually zero strength. This is in fact the exact mechanism behind soil liquefaction- water makes its way in between sand particles, and if the water pressure is too great then the water pushes particles away from each other (or, reduces the friction force between particles) allowing them to slide freely. The result is a near total loss of strength.

You don't need water for this to happen. Anything that disrupts the friction between particles will weaken the sand- compressed air for example, or in your case, magic.

Rather than fluffy sand, what you need to happen is for the magician to convert the granular material into a non-granular material, such as fusing the sand into glass. Even then, care would have to be taken to fuse the glass into a structure capable of bearing weight, because sand is not light and glass is not strong.

The second problem is with the vertical barrier you propose. Again, sand is a granular material, so the only strength it has is from the friction between particles. There is no force that confines granular materials, so they naturally slump down into a cone-shaped pile. The specific shape and strength of this pile is defined by the angle of repose.

If you pull sand up into a barrier, you have to have some kind of confining force to keep it there. Either your magician has to concentrate and continuously exert some effort to keep the barrier, or they have to provide the barrier some internal structure with a non-granular material. Again, for example, they could fuse sand into glass.

This is actually easier than you might expect, though I have no idea if it will meet your 3 MPa strength requirement. Mechanically stabilized earth is just a granular material that has added layers to stiffen the earth, and you can build relatively strong vertical columns, at least to some height. Your magician would have to make horizontal sheets of glass interspersed through the column in order to make it load bearing.

However, the problem with this approach is that the main component of your barrier is still just sand. And again, as a granular material, the strength of sand comes from the frictional force between particles. Mechanically stabilized earth is very strong when you put a weight directly on top of it, because that compresses the sand and increases the friction between particles. A blow to the side of such a column is going to locally compress the sand where it was struck, but on the other side of the column it will put the sand in tension, reducing strength, spalling out some material, and reducing the overall strength with each substantial blow.

  • $\begingroup$ Thank you very much for your insights. It seems that the first strategy (fluffy sand, fluffy barrier) is completely inviable. What remains is the second strategy (compressed barrier, fluffy sand beneath holding it up) - which you also reach with your glass proposal. Can glass be made from sand through only compression? I thought that was through melting, and temperature manipulation is not something the sand mages can readily do (rubbing sand against itself to produce heat is what I call cheating :P) $\endgroup$
    – KeizerHarm
    Oct 28, 2021 at 14:27
  • $\begingroup$ @KeizerHarm Not that I'm aware of, but I don't know much about glass. $\endgroup$
    – David
    Oct 28, 2021 at 16:13
  • $\begingroup$ @KeizerHarm It cannot. $\endgroup$
    – Sneftel
    Mar 28 at 10:38

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