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need a bit help with an Elf species I am making.

I am thinking about making them family with fairies who is in my world; some type of dragonfly. of course, I have no idea this is possible.

My Elf almost looks like what most people see as 'Elves'but I did make them with weaker bones and is an ancestor of the Angels which technically makes them Nephilims who later evolved naturally into the common elf we all know and this is my reason why they can do magic and is near immortal. I do need help with the other side of the family tree, the none-Angel side.

do you think it is possible for a dragonfly or other type of insect (spiders/scorpions, butterfly, wasp, etc) to evolve into a 'caveman' elf who looked just human enough to have kids with the Angels? is it even possible for an insect to look like a humanoid race or do I need to look into other species of animals to make the elf family/species tree?

don't know if you need more info than this. I will add more if asked.

EDIT: I think I need to add this since it has come up a few times.

  • the Angel in my world is based after the Biblical angels and yet have their own twist. they work for a higher entity. the history my sister and I made to them are not important to this question.

  • Angels/Fallen are not made neutrally. they are experiments solely created to serve. Angel cannot reproduce with each other since they are sexless.

  • how do angels then have kids? Since they are created by a god-like creature, they do have the power to bend the logic to a certain point. right now my sister and I are talking about they created Nephilim by giving a small part of themselves(Magic, blood, or a kiss maybe?) to women, and poof! she is pregnant with a half-angel child. we kinda got the idea of the famous virgin birth of Mary.

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  • the angel of my world is called Natoque. see it as a species name. the name "angel" and "demon/fallen" is something there came after the rebellion and they are still the same species. just parted into two nations.
  • I'm trying to make the family tree of the Elf race as scientific as possible so they have evolved naturally to the species who later get kids with the angel species. I don't hold the same standard to the Angel species due to them being created by other forces.
  • How can Angels have kids with humans/Elves who is outside their genus. when it comes to the Angels; nearly everything is possible and that is why I am not that concerned about them or the logic behind them.

if there is more thing I should add, please tell me.

Edit 3: so after some links and answers, I've gotten I concluded that it might not be the best idea to make the Elf in a family with insects due to their anatomy. although I am still not sure what species I should link them to. the User named @Daron did say this best;

"I think now is a good time to start a new question, that includes all the stuff we talked about here, and probably doesn't mention angels at all, since everything to do with the angels can be explained by magic. All in all, it's not clear what you're asking for to me, and the main problem seems to be "how can we have tiny flying sentient humanoids?"

if you are still willing to help me out with this, I appreciated it. and thank you for you who helped me out this far. I am still looking for the answers but I am glad for the information I have at the moment.

  • was asked for more info on the fairies and the Angels, but since the Fairies are out of the family tree and the Angels are not that important in my search due to they came into the family tree later in what I'm searching for.

family tree update enter image description here

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    $\begingroup$ I don't think there's any "technical" meaning for Nephilim. Dang word only comes up two or three times in the original source, and in most translations doesn't come up at all! $\endgroup$
    – Daron
    Nov 2, 2020 at 13:57
  • $\begingroup$ "My Elf almost looks like what most people see as 'Elves'" so they all look like Will Ferrel? $\endgroup$
    – The Square-Cube Law
    Nov 2, 2020 at 14:27
  • $\begingroup$ I have added four more tags to your question. $\endgroup$
    – Daron
    Nov 2, 2020 at 14:34
  • $\begingroup$ I don't know about the angels in your religion, but I for one have always imagined angels as being relatively big, much bigger than insects. Human-sized, at least. (In the Bible, Jacob famously wrestles with an angel. Many painters have made pictures depicting the event, and maybe that's why I have this impression that angels are relatively big.) $\endgroup$
    – AlexP
    Nov 2, 2020 at 14:53
  • $\begingroup$ "so they all look like Will Ferrel?" maybe the Cavemen elves did? or 'Christmas' Elf is a subspecies to the other Elf? both ideas is possible if you ask me $\endgroup$
    – FableSisters
    Nov 2, 2020 at 15:19

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Angels do not reproduce biologically.

Nothing scientific can be said about the evolution of angels (evolution was originally the only tag in this question). From a scientific point of view angels do not exist. This is the same as saying there is no empirical evidence to believe angels exist. Even if they did exist we know nothing about their evolutionary biology, so it's a moot point.

In general two different species cannot reproduce. A horse and a donkey can just about manage it. An insect cannot reproduce with an ape, unless the insect somehow evolved into an ape beforehand. This has never been observed.

That is good for you!

This is your get out of jail free card. Since angels are not real, you get to decide the rules. They might be able to reproduce with any animal in a completely nonbiological manner, simply by pointing a finger and declaring it to be so.

I think there is already a story like that, but I cannot currently remember the name.

How can angels reproduce with animals but not each other? Your angels are sexless and based on the Judeo-Christian ones. Those guys are often described as made of spirit or holy fire. So they contribute some of that stuff to an animal host, who does all the bodily work.

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    $\begingroup$ Two different natural species may or may not be able to produce fertile offspring. In animals it is relatively rare (but it definitely happens, sometimes on a large scale); in plants it is quite common. (For example, almost all species of the genus Canis can hybridize and produce fertile offspring, to the point where there are large populations of unclear descent.) All bets are off when supernatural beings become involved. Supernatural beings being supernatural, what they can and cannot do is beyond the power of mortal people to comprehend. $\endgroup$
    – AlexP
    Nov 2, 2020 at 15:01
  • $\begingroup$ I added some more info about the Angels in my world since I could see that was needed. $\endgroup$
    – FableSisters
    Nov 2, 2020 at 15:25
  • $\begingroup$ @FableSisters I don't think the new info makes a huge difference! $\endgroup$
    – Daron
    Nov 2, 2020 at 17:40
  • $\begingroup$ hmm, you might have a point. unfortunate... that is all I have at the current moment $\endgroup$
    – FableSisters
    Nov 2, 2020 at 17:56
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    $\begingroup$ @FableSisters there's actually already a question on intelligent insect evolution $\endgroup$
    – LinkBerest
    Nov 5, 2020 at 3:07
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Angels are agents of creation.

God was the architect of Creation. But there was a lot of work to do, and various types of angels were the ones that did it. Like a general contractor following the plans of an architect, the angels who actually carried out creation had more or less autonomy in what exactly they did.

Nephilim were produced by a particular subset of angels who were creatively pursuing their directives. This might be the same task group responsible for dragonflies, mayflies and dobsonflies among other things. The Nephilim were created using the same basic source code with the result that various hybrids are possible. Eventually this gave rise to your elves.

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  • $\begingroup$ in my world; 'God' was not the original creator of the Angels. they are experiments. I can add the full story if it helps, but at the moment I am avoiding it due to it being a bit complicated and long $\endgroup$
    – FableSisters
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Well, do your elves need to be real elves? Or does it suffice for them to look like elves? What if they are some human+, with some genes from whatever?

Tapping into what this lady wrote, they might be some posthuman, very long-living, somewhat strange creatures with a shared subconsciousness, limited telepathy, abilities to warp reality, etc. But they look like elves to those who don't know better.

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  • $\begingroup$ tecnical, my Elves are not real elves. they are not from Earth. $\endgroup$
    – FableSisters
    Nov 4, 2020 at 4:48
  • $\begingroup$ So, they might be anything. The next issue, we are not sure, what are fairies and angels, so we'd need more backstory, I would say. $\endgroup$
    – Oleg Lobachev
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As far as angels are very powerful beings in any way, I would assume they can mate with any creature and have offsprings, even creating a new specie. In fact, Tolkien's elves are a specie with angelic qualities, but that's besides the point.

The second relevant information would be that angels are related to a god, and generally humans are similar to God. Therefore angels might also produce sth similar to a human (an elf).

I'd picture it as if a human would pick a human cell, splice it with an insect one and clone it. What you'd have is an NGO human.

What insect genes would be used? It doesn't matter, they could be invisible or have evolved over time.

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  • $\begingroup$ I am looking for the species before the Angel came into the picture. you can say I am looking for the first sign of their kind like when we found out we are in the same family tree as the apes, if that makes sense $\endgroup$
    – FableSisters
    Nov 9, 2020 at 18:51

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