This question is linked to a couple other SE:WB questions of mine, which focus on my current worldbuilding project. The setting is essentially this: aliens encased the Solar System in the very distant past. The confining sphere is around 12,000 (twelve-thousand) AU in radius, does not exert a gravitational influence, and emits no blackbody radiation. The barrier structure acts indiscriminately. Any object that attempts to cross paths with the boundary, from asteroids and comets to dust motes and spacecraft, are quietly voided. They cease existing, yielding no stir of light or particles in their existential wake.

The world came to acknowledge this bewildering truth after the first few failed Starshot attempts--missions that sought to put about a thousand small spacecraft booking it at one-fifth lightspeed through three nearby star systems--the result of which showed the theoretically-sound and rigorously-tested hardware vanishing within a common range from the solar barycenter, the deep-space connections disintegrating like cosmic spindrift. Fast-forward a few centuries, after further Starshot-like missions provided more telling data and conclusive evidence for the existence of the entombing structure, an interest stirs in certain groups to survey and map the boundary. Numerous studies that analyzed the modified Starshot (maybe... "Wallshot") return data showed the likelihood of boundary "undulations," or large-scale structures embedded in the topology of the boundary surface. Snaking structures resembling undulating waves and rolling hills, crests and troughs several AU wide, oscillating less than a dozen or so AU nearer and farther from the mean boundary distance of about 12,000 AU. The financial backers of this group are also interested in knowing whether any "holes" exist anywhere on the boundary.

This organization wishes to construct a mission that might get them a clearer picture of the invisible structures, say, at one square AU resolution. Their constraints are money and time--chiefly the former.

What probably wouldn't be proposed is sending a Starshot-like probe to each and every square AU block at 12,000 AU distant. I calculate that a little over 700 million probes would be required. That may only be a single small asteroid's worth of mass, but if we launched one probe every second, it would take a little over twenty-two and a half years to send them all out. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Twenty-odd years is actually rather acceptable. However, I think there may be better ways. Cruder methods that might take advantage of the nature of the boundary that betrays its existence.
Before I looked at any math, I thought of a series of probes that might be sent near the boundary to shoot beams (narrow cones, I guess) of hot, excited gas toward it. Sensors on the probe would aim to pick up the EM emissions of the radiating gas (maybe ionized hydrogen?), noting where those emissions dropped off. Then I thought, "why send probes at all? Let's do it here." Perhaps we could build some sort of mother-of-all particle accelerators here, near Earth, to send bursts of ionized hydrogen out into the distant Solar System where space-based detectors, again relatively near Earth, might find the emissions drop-off.
I can see a number of ways this wouldn't work, chief among them that we wouldn't be able to keep the particle density high enough at that distance for detection. Temperature would also be an issue, which goes hand in hand with density I suppose. The gas would expand as it travels, cooling off. (Perhaps it would be possible to detect the absorption spectrum of light from the Sun reflecting off the higher-density gas?)

Another thought also happened. The Sun is basically doing just that right now, casting a solar wind of mostly electrons, protons, and alpha particles omnidirectionally, albeit tenuously. From the answers on my question here, it doesn't seem like detecting the drop-off of solar wind density and temperature is very feasible, despite its high temperature of around 7,000 Kelvin. I wondered if artificially "illuminating" the plasma, maybe with powerful radiowaves or an electron beam, to above the threshold for observation/detection might be feasible.

With all that, is such a survey operation feasible? Could we project and then detect ionized hydrogen or some other plasma in this way? Is there some other better method of mapping the barrier?

  • $\begingroup$ Your sphere is outside the heliopause but inside (about 10% inside) the Oort cloud. If we had nanoprobe tech, would we have mapping programs for the Oort cloud? Would we have noticed that a cloud we thought was 99,000 AU thick had stuff "disappearing" at the 10% point - a lot...? You might want to pull that sphere inside the Oort Cloud (but leave it beyond the Heliosphere). $\endgroup$
    – JBH
    Sep 2, 2020 at 0:52
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    $\begingroup$ Even then... wouldn't we have noticed when Haley's Comet (and who knows how many others) failed to come back? I must assume in your alternate-Earth there are not Oort-Cloud-based comets (the aliens must stop them from orbiting in because they won't orbit back out beyond the barrier). $\endgroup$
    – JBH
    Sep 2, 2020 at 0:57
  • $\begingroup$ @JBH I'm open to moving the barrier distance around, but not by much. My goal is to preserve what we currently see astronomically, and not to tip us off to its existence until far too late. Our current observations of long period comets fits nicely with ~10,000 AU limit, iirc. The bell curve distribution of high-eccentricity comets trail off uncharacteristically at about that distance, but there may be other factors involved, such as we haven't seen very many high-eccentricity objects. Moving it inward and out of the Oört Cloud would most likely yield some effects that we currently don't see. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 1:05
  • $\begingroup$ @JBH Halley's comet has an aphelion of about 35 AU. We don't observe many of the high-eccentricity objects that we hypothesize to be that far out swinging around the Sun. Some of those objects would be on rather circular orbits as well, or at least not Sun-grazing ones. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 12:57
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    $\begingroup$ Have you read Hamilton's Pandora's Star? There's extensive exploration of a very similar sphere, as well as a few parables about planetary inspection that might have some useful nuggets of info $\endgroup$ Sep 2, 2020 at 20:09

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What we know at day 0:

In my answer to your previous question, I suggested that we wouldn't believe it was a spherical destroyer of everything until we caught evidence of it destroying something. And that would probably be either a two-part probe (impactor and camera/radio), or a manned space craft with a live feed sent to investigate why the probes broke there.

For the purposes of this answer, I'm assuming that hasn't happened. That we've lost a few starshot constelations, we took the vote, and decided "Barrier stopped them."

So the barrier would be implicitly partially surveyed, some observations on what I think humanity realises when we reach D-"Yes there is an alien barrier stopping our probes wtf"-day:

  • Its easier to send probes into interstellar space on the plane of the planets orbits than off-plane. The original starshot missions would've selected targets considering the delta-V cost, so:
  • They were travelling towards destinations on or very near the solar ecliptic plane.
  • We don't know exactly when we lost contact - they missed a weekly check in, so the location of the field is +/- 1wk * probe speed. (Obviously it wont be a round number, no aliens are that considerate, or aware of how we measure these distances).
  • We have a good idea of what angle they were travelling, but they would start to disperse (so they can arrive at different bodies in the target system).
  • They were batched into a few groups, depending on how many missions were launched, and how many destination stars were in each launch. I'm guessing 6 unique trajectories, but there was probably some repeat launches.

I suspect the image we're able to form looks something like this: enter image description here

The known areas of the barrier are in red. They're not entirely co-planner, but they are very close to the eliptic plane.

Should also note that its only starshot probes which have detected this. Voyager probes wont pass the barrier until ~4500AD (and they're power source has run flat). Starshot are going fast, but this information has taken a long time to learn.

So what do we do first?

Anyways, when that image is presented, the next mission is obvious, it will be "Lets go over it". This is a long and complex orbital trajectory, I tried using NASA online orbital transfer tool but I couldn't calculate the full solution - but I can tell you'll get 7 good launch windows in ~20 years. You're looking at basically the Ulysses launch profile with a few Jupiter fly bys (each taking ~1-2 years) to stretch the orbits up. Even sending a cubesat sized or smaller probe with only a power source and radio, this could easily be a multi-decade mission.

That probe will detect the top and/or bottom is a barrier too. It will detect it by stopping to respond. We don't know how the barrier works, or even exactly where it is, but we do know it's roughly spherical.

Long term

Once we've confirmed that the top and / or bottom is blocked, I suspect we're not going to try to map out the sphere to "see if there's a hole here" by bombarding it with millions of probes, I suspect we'll assume it's spherical, and try to analyse what's going on at the barrier to try to get through it.

Remember we don't assume that aliens are out to get us. Nobody at NASA is going to say "Well obviously this is hostile aliens out to Zoo Hypothisis us.". They'll be operating under the assumption that what is there can be explained by normal physics, and thus, is beatable. (oh there's a spherical shell of ultra fine fast moving diamonds at 12,000AU, lets study that! Maybe this shield design will allow a craft through.)

This means a mission designed to explore exactly what's going on here. Why are our probes stopping to work here?

We're going to launch something, with an almighty tonne of equipment, to head out there, stabilise relative to the shell (which'll take a tonne of fuel) and take readings. We'll look for every type of radiation, every type of quantum particle, we'll shine lasers into it (which'll disappear, that'll be confusing) eventually we'll launch little things into it (with all our sensors running) and record it on camera disappearing. Then we'll analyses the data, find the mass / energy just vanishes, scratch our heads, and retry it over and over.

Then we'll try all manor of things to get through it. We'll try powerful lasers, we'll try fast projectiles. We'll try slow projectiles. We'll try reflective surfaces. We'll launch beams of electrons and other small particles at it. We'll try to slice it a sharp razor. We'll try and reach through it with a robotic arm.

It'll probably escalate to someone nuking it.

  • $\begingroup$ To address the first couple paragraphs, in this question I talked about how many Starshot-like probes had been sent out in an effort to prove or disprove the barrier hypothesis after the first few failed Starshot attempts. The setting is now a few centuries after those first Starshot attempts, and the idea of a solar system barrier is now widely accepted due to the results of those efforts. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 18:02
  • $\begingroup$ The Starshot probes are being fired off by a laser accelerating at perhaps hundreds of gees. Gravitational assist would do very little to a probe booking it at one-fifth lightspeed. Proxima centauri lies off the ecliptic anyway, as do other nearby stars such as Barnard's star. We would see these disappearances apart from the ecliptic. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 18:07
  • $\begingroup$ Essentially, suppose we launch 3 sets of Starshots in the 2060s, each at their own vector (that does not lie in the ecliptic) to some nearby stars. Each of the fleet of probes is programmed to power up at certain intervals, take readings of the "interstellar" environment, and discharge their capacitors to relay that information back. Each fleet of probes, after crossing the prior unknown boundary, fail to transmit again within some range from the Sun. A range likely to be within a couple dozen AU. It's an astronomically unlikely coincidence, given the sheer redundancy of the probes themselves. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 18:14
  • $\begingroup$ Which is why I believe "aliens" will be among the first thoughts to occur to most people. Because the laser array and probe manufacturing process are already laid out and paid for, we'll launch some more, some perhaps to other targets. They'll encounter the same fate. We have a good deal of knowledge about the outer solar system, and scientists will struggle greatly to come up with a natural cause. This will in turn launch a kind of scientific investigation into the phenomenon, which is only supplemented by the fact that access to space has become predictably cheaper. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 18:18
  • $\begingroup$ The interest tapers and plateaues as space industry and colonization kicks off. After a few centuries of occasionally shooting off Starshots and recording where they vanish, we'll have a pretty good understanding of the barrier. From all that data, scientists then posit the existence of the ripples and undulations, which in turn sparks the mission to map the barrier down to one square AU resolution, as well as determine whether any large holes exist in the barrier surface. $\endgroup$
    – BMF
    Sep 2, 2020 at 18:23

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