# Space station scenario feasibility

I have settings with orbital colonies around the earth. First off my idea is, if it is not profitable we would not fund it en masse. Therefore I came up with the idea that in the future we discovered that Space foundries create amazing alloys, basically near-perfect alloys - for example leading to the development of room-temperature superconductors. And of course other fine goodies, research (most notably some progress in Graviton research - which is one of the sub-plots) and most notably - staging area for lunching first long term self-sustainable Arc, which will serve as a habitat and base for Mars Ring Assembly construction workers. Mars still suffers from tedious and expensive sky-cranes.

Some techno babble tools, rules and hand-waves for my question:

• Where gravity is desired, I have classic centripetal rings where it's a pain to pour water into a glass.
• Power is solved with solar farms or SMES battery deliveries from the surface.
• Cooling, especially of foundries is made with another Unobtanium Alloy used as a heat-sink, ejected into space.
• Atmosphere is made with closed cycle life support systems which are effective but still require resupplies on average once per month (can function 3 months on emergency protocol)
• Food is partially supplied from the surface (the good stuff like meat, branded alcohol...), but a lot of the pressure in logistics is handled with commercial 0G hydroponics selling spacetatoes.
• Thanks to Room-temperature superconductors, we built a really cool Orbital Ring, lowering cost of surface-orbit transfer to 20 bucks per Kg. use allowed by everybody, profit shared by nations and corps who funded it.
• Inter-station trade and travel is done through shuttles either directly station to station or Ring train station to space station - I wanted space truckers for 'rule of cool'.
• To avoid collisions, orbital lanes are taken by "first come first served". Better lanes become expensive properties sold by moving your station to different orbit, allowing the buyer to move his station to your former place instead. Enforced purely by politics and economic embargoes - nobody wants tons of space debris flying around. Position is stabilized and corrected with thrusts, but there are emergency tug-ships which WILL for a big fine correct your position.
• Health effects of 0G are mostly hand waived by Centripetal habitats and advanced medicine.

And finally my question:

Are space stations feasible, under these rules, to for example have spacious corridors where one can "fly thru 4 people abreast"? Could there be Centripetal Rings with diameter 1600m (circumference 5000m) with speed around 1RPM to maintain 1G (correct me if am wrong here) made from CURRENT materials (To give me some perspective so I can scale my stations properly when super-alloys are applied). That must be MASSIVE structural strain right? And now... could there be maybe even hundreds of them around Earth in various distances, with collision safe orbit distance and still keep all of them in the planet's gravity well?

Feel free to pinpoint major red flags in my rules too (but keep in mind it is a sci-fi), but my main concerns are those stations. Thank you.

• "we built really cool Orbital Ring" - imho this is less feasible than the 5000m circumference space station. – Alexander May 6 '20 at 16:31
• Report outlines a design for an orbital ring with a cost estimate of $9 billion that can be built using existing technology and is well within the resource capacity of over 1200 of the world’s largest companies. Could be constructed within a 30 year time frame... that is a theory of it. There is a paper with physical and economical calculation about Orbital Ring – Prahara May 6 '20 at 16:39 • I am highly skeptical of this estimate.$9 billion is currently a ballpark cost of developing a new conventional space launch system. Orbital ring asks for 100x more material delivered to the orbit, and assumes that we can overcome all engineering challenges. – Alexander May 6 '20 at 16:46
• It's not remotely clear how "room temperature superconductors" would lead to an orbital ring. The paper suggesting the design of which you speak casually talks about dropping a "450 km tether" to Earth... which, since the platform isn't in geostationary orbit, would be whipping through the atmosphere. I think it's overoptimistic regarding what Zylon can support. – jdunlop May 6 '20 at 17:11
• @Seraph - warmth isn't a problem in space - cooling is. Vacuum is a spectacular insulator, and radiating heat away from the ISS is one of its biggest concerns. – jdunlop May 6 '20 at 17:32

Mmm, quite pleased with answers which are placed already, seems WB does better those days, nice to see. Here my own 2 cents on your problems(and solutions).

Reasons

As for the reasons, it not necessary to introduce some unobtanium at this point in time. Unobtanium is more suitable for small scale like it is now, there are examples of producing fiber optic in 0g, and thanks to the absence of weight it turns to be of better quality for some reasons.

Proposes by SpaceX network of satellites can be a significant driver for expansion, and servicing them in orbit can be a start for having production capabilities in orbit, which can serve as a seed for further expansion and scaling up. Having them being serviced in orbit solves few challenges - one is a more relaxed choice of materials used in those satellites, as a strategy of their disposal is not anymore a burning of them in the atmosphere but refurbishment or scraping for materials for the production of something useful in orbit(for that production facility or for energy collection or else). So it's a natural extension to reuse materials which you already send in orbit. And it basically half'ing the price - whatever it is cheap or expensive.

Cleaning orbit maybe another activity which primes the bigger things, as there about 8000t(around that number, may remember it wrong) debris in orbits, it is scattered but, there are proposals of different mini space crafts which goal is to service present satellites in orbit in terms of repair, and moving them in a graveyard - thus extending their operational lifespan. You can scavenge for some bits on Robots In Space LLC site/blog the guy has some good ideas, but there are more out there.

ESA announced few years ago about air-breathing electric thruster which can be nicely combined with ideas of servicing satellites.

Both thruster and servicing incentives can be combined with in orbit refurbishing of those electric engines and their energy-producing setups, by some production station, and then it may not matter that much how scattered debris is - one can collect it all(but timewise(reasonable time), more like a good portion of it).

so that servicing fleet can be expanded using the debris, if it half of it then 10 times of that ISS station we have, by mass. And it quite a significant portion of the material to work with and it may be capable of different kinds of things.

Here is quite an extensive article on in orbit air scooping. And that air can be used to refuel some stations(current or future ones) so it may be useful as for now(making some profits here) so as for your stations and their air loss.

the same air can be used as reactive mass for those ion engines as a reactive mass in transits between Moon and Earth. This may be a significant expense slashing solution for all programs connected with the moon, which you mention in some of your comments.

Expenses

I'm not the fan of unimaginable expenses positions, so as the unifying goal, it more likely some enterprise or smart gov(if there is some - china is that you?)

Combining technologies and business as which are mentioned earlier and more, it possible to create some specific in orbit solution that may prime further expansion, in form of some production platform of 10x ISS, which we may operate remotely, so no humans there, and which may be an integral part of solving current demands and which on its own providing additional options and possibilities.

If we take that Starlink proposal from SpaceX, I'm a firm believer it will be a cash cow with a good yield, as it is way too convenient for many applications to have a good connection in all the places. So it will pay itself off easily. Even smaller satellite servicing startups if they would hold a bigger picture and path in their view they have a chance to prime that 4000-8000t production station in orbit. And make that cheap connection between earth and the moon.

So do not fix on great capital investment at the start, it more about will, vision and some money not trillions one trows in the project. Thanks to the sci-fi will and opportunity and negotiations are those you can easily handwave by the power of your letters, which in reality is slower and more painful to achieve. One has money there are easier places to invest, one has ideas but didn't the homework in being wall street wolf.

There are really more tricky and crazier options, to prime stuff with small scale rockets like the scale of Electron (rocket), and there are even more out of ordinary proposals(still rocket-based, with some tech and support of that production orbital base that Electron rocket could deliver up to 10x what it can do now).

Economical reasons

Looking at the Moon, you do it right.

Besides supporting our current space activity by cleaning orbit, by extending the lifespan of satellites with the same launch expenses, by providing air supply, by recycling space trash flying and produced by stations, by producing something which may be done better in 0g(it not only optics, chemistry, crystals, electronics etc) - participating in all or some of those can provide some pocket money, but the real deal is sure the moon as a source of materials - not necessarily some specific materials but any materials which can be used in construction for space structures.

By coincidence and magic of 0g, any material you scoop from the surface of the Moon can be used in construction, as one of the main things, there is no weight so it has just to not fly apart. So glass fiber(or more likely basalt) fiber, so as sintered "bricks" can be used pretty much as is to build habitable volumes aka space stations for humans.

Even with current or projected prices from SpaceX, the price of any dirt you may deliver from moon to earth orbit is quite high, if you may sinter it to some usable construction. Sintering process for producing and using for moon bases is an actual topic that is researched by different people, and it is possible and maybe even easier in 0g as it does not need to be that high grade, to begin with. More you can do on that in orbit seed production platform more you can produce from it, including extraction metals and our usual tech for use of those.

So that link Earth-Moon-Earth is essential for making more profits and do more.

Even with your mentioned 20 bucks per kilo, it means 20 thousand per tonne, and with relatively simple means you can massdrive from the surface of the moon millions of tons. 2019 article this

• For a SpaceX Falcon 9, the rocket used to access the ISS, the cost is just 2,720 per kilogram. So the main trick is what you do on the moon, how you do it, I guess you have your own ideas about that, but there are also ways in line with that production seed station. But being delivered on proper orbit, any dirt costs around 2 million per tonne(as of now) if you can shape use it in some useful way, and it(shaping in a useful way) can be done with moon dirt. Economical reasons, real money Having a link between Moon and Earth this creates the opportunity for having real money flow, if you need it, as at that point you need more technologies and improving technologies to achieve your stations or orbital rings whatever. But okay, for the shake of those technologies be developed by people you hire, one needs money, where to get them. There are several ways and Energy from space maybe another cash cow. There are plenty(several) of project proposals of that kind, and some are studied in depts by NASA-related folks. The main problem of those as it seen from all those studies, and as it is seen now is the cost of launching stuff in space from the Earth. And that part is covered if you have Earth-Moon link. Energy is essential for all parts of our technological life, so as the energy from space is all green(almost) and cool, it does no run out ever, no fuel of any kind is required it already there and will be for next few billion years, and you merely redirect it. Data processing is another very essential and somewhat money earing direction that has broad application/use/list of consumers. Training AI's for different fields may be expensive as I have read from OpenAI guys which made their bots for Dota competition year a few years ago and for AlphaGo, they would like to run mass training more often but it costs them 10's of thousand for a single deep run session. And that problem of teaching AI's networks as for now it does not require top-notch processors it requires many many of some good enough processors, so it a venue which can be explored - by producing them in space and having data centers in space, in similar ways as that Starlink project. And some huge huge setups which dwarf the whole Top500 list, in some of Lagrange points. There is a proposal of cheap grid computing using solar energy for free, no sms - the direction of thinking is actually quite good. At that point, some planet-scale moves may be possible - cooling the planet starting from dusting atmosphere(like vulcanos do) to make manageable sunshades which more fine-tuning who and how much energy gets on the surface of the planet. And it has a direct connection to another essential - food production, weather, temperature, CO2 consumption speed, AC usage in cities, the habitability of some countries in general which may be(or may not) a problem in the future because of the peak temperatures(they are on the threshold already). So there are broad and deep money wells to tap into if one can deliver stuff from the Moon. Thanks to all that, actual living in space on a great scale may be made possible so as the price of delivering stuff from the planet into space maybe not that much relevant, as that energy from space may work on the rocket making business supply enough energy for them to produce one rocket per hour in the middle of pacific as an example. Making Research and Development cheap. For our technological society, it is a core being able to develop new stuff and fix problems etc. This necessity permeates the whole society - all the needs are connected to some RD done. And space resources can make it cheap, pay 10 times less, get 10 times the result. So some remote labs rented, sold whatever - and customers are whoever develops technologies, basically everyone. Sure it hard to provide everything for all at once, but it is a big market to be consumed by a combination of different means. Quite skeptical on Bezos statements of moving production from the earth, he is far behind the current wagon with this one, we do not need that, we just need more energy to recycle the waste, but moving RD processes in space - that a totally different deal, making something from Top500 as your desktop PC for your lab or fiddling with the artificial intelligence of game server, a similar transition which happened in 70's - that's a deal which is not possible(almost, fusion) on earth, but which can be done just by scaling in space. Back to station as for the size of the station, I may suggest looking this answer of mine, even if cylinder design has its problems, stresses induced are calculated in an okayish way, so km's sizes are achievable. In general look at Kalpana one design, it quite reasonable, and good enough for starters. In general, the diameter isn't that limited by materials used, if you imagine it like some sort of bearing which one part is rotating and another is not and that no rotating part of the construction takes all required loads. And you can make that external part as big as it needs to be. Sure there are still some limitations and challenges, but they far beyond a few km's sizes. One can easily place a hundreds of them even on the same orbit, km's apart like a cluster of those or 100's km apart. Yes sure you need some monitoring orbit correction system for those, but not a big deal as of today, and if you have air scoop then you do not have any shortage of reaction mass for corrections. • where it's a pain to pour water into a glass. - guess it is a joke all isn't that bad. • Power is solved with solar farms - yeah, a way to go, and you do not need SMES for energy storing, in rotating of the station itself or similar structures plenty of energy can be stored. • Cooling - as mentioned in one of the answers it has better options, in general it is not a much bigger problem than cooling a station itself. It isn't a big problem if you do not do huge huge things in one solid piece by casting - but there no heatsink can help you to solve that, and it needs just different ways of making stuff. • Atmosphere ... resupplies - not such a big problem with scooping, and in general, it should hold and easily can do much more than 3 months without resupply. IDK I guess your plot may require that, so just noting that. Volume grows proportional to a cube and surface proportional to square and that creates a big reservoir of those gases, for any big enough station. • Food is partially supplied from the surface - you need only branded stuff, the rest can be produced locally relatively easy and it is a way to close cycles by air water and stuff. • we built a really cool Orbital Ring - yeah, why not, mine Moon well, and you will have it. • Inter-station trade and travel is done through shuttles - idk, maybe focus more cyberpunk style, more on immaterial digital goods - technologies of production. Still, there is a place for cool drivers transporting expensive cool handmade one of its kind stuff, it more elite and cool than transporting toilet paper between stations in space trailers. Here it needs to focus more on the aspect. Production on stations can be fully self-sufficient. Reason being - cheap and abundant energy supply. It way cheaper to get energy in space than here on earth, there are many reasons for that, but consider one of them - a thin foil shaped in a spherical way is all you need in space to heat something to stunning 5000-6000K temperatures, so your steam or CO2 or Na-steam turbines will work like a charm. (in orbit, especially at LEO, it may be bit trickier but not by much). So it simple as technology, as the production of those etc etc, and it weighs less as there is 0g so fewer materials required in places which are wasted on supporting structures, protecting them from the atmosphere, rain, wind etc. So big factories which we build here on earth are for efficiency - energy efficiency of processes and other benefits of scale. But if you have cheap energy, if one is 10 times more wasteful in terms of using the energy it does not matter as you may have as much as you need. Sure there are more reasonable and less reasonable ways to do things. You aren't constricted by flat area, so a by territory limitations in general. So, in general, you may have all the technologies we have today on some smaller scale, as big as you need it to be and to not worry about being a few times less efficient in production as those surface bigger counterparts are. So your cost more in RD, and here you can tap for the earth and send the plans via email and such. I mean if there is some stuff you need and if it can be produced in a lab(and basically all stuff we do is produced in a lab for the first time) if it does few times 10 times less efficient than big factory you still can stick to lab way of doing stuff. And scale the process according to your demands. • To avoid collisions, orbital lanes are taken by "first come first served" - no need for that really. You can easily have a million crafts swarming near the station waiting for their time or just hanging there. So as orbits are big, a single plane LEO orbit is about 40000 km, so there plenty of space considering every 100 meters is basically a new orbit. Some unified system which guides the crafts sure is needed, so as the preferred direction of the orbit may be useful, because 2 space crafts separated by 100m orbits, they move very slowly relative to each other if they move in the same direction. So limits are high, you basically can launch a million of spacecraft from your ring, each minute and still easily manage them in orbit +72km. • Health effects of 0G are mostly hand waived by Centripetal habitats - no problem here, as for me. • Nice answer, however I'm not sure that you would want to place an O'Neill Cylinder so low in orbit that it can use air breathing ion drives. Going for higher orbits seems safer. Additionally I'm not sure if such air collection system could compete against ammonia and water minded from Luna or asteroids in the oxygen and Nitrogen production department. – TheDyingOfLight May 9 '20 at 6:47 • @TheDyingOfLight no need to place ONC at LowLEO - reactive mass may be suttled by some smaller automatic probes which collect it at low orbit and deliver to any consumer to its orbit. Oxygen is simple in both cases (dirt are mostly oxides, so electrolyze, besides recycling CO2), but I would not hold your breath for much nitrates on the moon. But the main point here is Moon is next step, but scooping may be done before it, and scooping it just a mean just to get any reactive mass cheap enough to throw away, it just happens to be air composition, so it being able to resupply is just side product – MolbOrg May 9 '20 at 6:57 Your technology seems fine except for the heat disposal methods. What's wrong with good old radiators? Try liquid tin droplet radiators or ones using vacuum oils as a coolant to reduce the mass. Furthermore, heavy space industry would be better off around or on the moon in many cases since it is safer there if accidents happen and Luna can be mined without any concerns for the environment. I'm more optimistic towards orbital rings than others here, maybe too optimistic. The only way to settle this is to wait until the first active support structures have been constructed. One worldbuilding detail to note however is that orbital rings don't come in a vacuum. Atlas Towers, Looftstrome Loops, and actively supported intercontinental bridges would precede them. Have them in your setting to make it more believable. Your space habitats are impossible I'm afraid. Not generally but in the configuration you want. "Gravity", RPM and radius aren't independent of each other. You may pick two, then you get the third for free. If my math is correct, you can get: $$gravity: 10 m/s2$$ $$rotation: 1 rpm$$ $$radius: 911.8913 m$$ You can calculate it via: $$gravity = round(pow((rotation / 9.5493), 2) * radius, 4)$$ $$rotation = round((pow(gravity / radius, 0.5) * 9.5493), 4)$$ $$radius = round(gravity / pow(rotation / 9.5493, 2), 4)$$ Note that 1 RPM is quite conservative. I use gravity: baseline: 6.8 - 15, adapted: 1 - 35, RPM: baseline: > 2, adapted: > 6 and radius: baseline & adapted: 17 m (due to tidal forces) for my world-building. Those are decently researched ranges, the only way to get something better is to actually build a space station. Assuming you want about 1 meter of water, 2 meters of soil and 3 meters of 200 kg/m3 infrastructure and no aerogel for better landscaping per square meter and a 1 atm atmosphere I get: $$pressure vessel shell: 0.13859607895875 m$$ $$structural hull: 1.1357 m$$ $$average thickness drum: 7.2743 m$$ $$mass per square meter: 14239.7633 kg/m2 or 14.2398 t/m2$$ using steel for structural support or $$pressure vessel shell: 0.21655637337304687 m$$ $$structural hull: 0.3562 m$$ $$average thickness drum: 6.5727 m$$ $$mass per square meter: 5302.2579 kg/m2 or 5.3023 t/m2$$ using a carbon fiber material. If you have more concrete ideas about the parameters you want, tell me in a comment and I'll run the number for you. • I was thinking of habitat either made with 5km circumference rings or several smaller rings stacked on same axis behind each other. Lets say 10 ring stack when each is with r=50m. I kind want that artificial gravity, but only for habitats. And no worry no soil, those are really just habitats (if you dont count some decorative pot plants). Recreation could have own "park ring" where the water body and soil plays a role. PS: The ring "corridor" where are cubicles should have a width at least 15m inside if it helps. – Prahara May 7 '20 at 3:58 • Also do I understand it correct that Ring could be in any position around Earth (with center aligned with center of Earth) For example to cover SA-Europe or NA-Africa? – Prahara May 7 '20 at 12:33 • Yes, but that will require a more complicated setup. Don't ask me for the math, but if you want anything but an equatorial ring, you need at least four different rotors. Two going prograde and two going retrograde, to counteract gyroscopic presession. – TheDyingOfLight May 7 '20 at 13:47 • A small radius in an artifitial gravity habitat will cause problems to their inhabitants. Different gradient of gravity along their bodies and the fast rotation needed will not look like a 'normal' environment. At first, your purpose of a 5km circunference at 1 rpm looks fine (need 56 seconds to spin at 1G, in 60 sec will generate 0,89G) – Rodolfo Penteado May 8 '20 at 6:31 Where there's a will, there's a way This mission is technically possible, especially if you fill in some of the blanks with a little sci-fi hand waving. With current technology, you'd be talking about a plan that would cost hundreds or thousands of billions of dollars. You would need massive popular and political support to dedicate that kind of funding to a space project when there are real problems here on Earth. What ultimately killed the Apollo program wasn't any hard limit of technology, it was political will. I'm currently reading the book Gateway to the Moon, which describes the development of Cape Canaveral. There were some drawing board plans for the level of space launch capacity that you would need for your mission. There are even a few places where infrastructure started being built to support additional facilities before plans were scaled back. The Space Shuttle program was designed to fly "on-time and often, like a fleet of cargo airplanes." Those plans, too, were severely scaled back due to a lack of support. Remember that the US Congress just passed an economic stimulus worth trillions of dollars. If a similar amount of money were directed towards your project and the project generated financial returns to offset some of the investment, it's plausible. The biggest problem is coming up with a reason that the public and Congress would support it. Even in sci-fi, this is a real problem. Here's an excerpt from Stargate: SG-1 where the Secretary of Defense questions the economic value of the Stargate project. SECRETARY Do you have any idea what's out there? O'NEILL No, sir. That would be why we're going. SECRETARY I'm not sure, Colonel, is it? Because to be perfectly frank this administration is not satisfied with the current progress of the Stargate program. [The SG-1 teammates exchange concerned glances.] CARTER Begging the secretary's pardon, sir, but we've already visited nineteen separate worlds. HAMMOND I believe he is referring specifically to the volume of technology being retrieved on our planetary missions. SECRETARY The President and Joint Chiefs were under the impression that the SG teams would be bringing back superior technologies. [Daniel comes forward.] DANIEL I'm sorry, I…I thought we were explorers. SECRETARY Oh, you are Dr. Jackson. But even Marco Polo when he came back from the Far East brought back more than just a few…exotic spices. • I am no economist so this will defintely be my weak side which I will have to somehow cover, maybe by not even mentioning it. But generally what are you saying is that either "father" of the project would have to come up with really strong backed ROI plan to gather support of basically whole planet's strongest players. That would be tough without some type of United Earth Federation, which I do not want much. – Prahara May 7 '20 at 4:05 reality-check eh? Then check this reality: Politics of power: if a nation has enough materials/energy to place gigatons of materials into orbit, it has enough materials/energy to drop on anyone it wants to call an enemy. Don't hold your breath, it's not gonna happen in out life-time. You will need to use Moon as the source of your raw materials, extracting them from the gravity well of the Earth is simply too expensive. Probably - for causes better not explored here - the political heads got convinced of this already, with the attempt to kick-off the Artemis Accords. Orbital Ring - video exploring in more details the feasibility and problems of such a superstructure. Hinges on gigatons of materials placed in orbit and the stabilisation of it (it does require lotsa magnets). Everything boils down to the energy expenditure you can afford to invest into it. If you have this level of energy**, then the rest are engineering and logistic problems that are solvable. ** energy that you can obtain in ways which don't place a gigaton of toxic poop into the very place you want to start from (Earth) Costs? Hey, with an orbital ring we're talking about a superstructure 40000km+ in length and with a "thickness" at least in the order of 100m for useful applications. From one of your comments: Report outlines a design for an orbital ring with a cost estimate of9 billion that can be built using existing technology

Say what? Using $7M per 1mile of 6-lane Interstate highway in rural areas, a 40000km (=24855 miles) of a just-gravel-and-bitumen-orbital-ring is \$174B.

Think a bit about the amount and price of room temperature superconductors and permanent magnets to replace that gravel (and you need them to keep that orbital ring... umm, well... orbiting) but stop quickly from thinking, the number with \\$ in front will be so astronomical it will lose any meaning that a human mind can comprehend.

• Thanks for scrutiny, I'll come up with some techno-babble handwavium for this one. It is obviously economically improbable without united cause. Of course thanks for the video. Oh the Moon mining and Artemis Accords are one of the most important sub-plots. Generally thanks you did a lot of work on my posts. – Prahara May 7 '20 at 4:09
• Adrian, 40.000 km is rougly the Earth circunference. A orbital ring in geoestationary orbit would have 275.700 km. – Rodolfo Penteado May 8 '20 at 6:09
• @RodolfoPenteado if you go read the orbital ring in Wikipedia, you'll see an orbital ring is not on a geostationary orbit and works on LEOs - it's like a bunch of satellites in the same orbits one after the other. That's the advantage over a space elevator - could be realized with current materials. – Adrian Colomitchi May 8 '20 at 6:37
• Read it and like the concept, dont knew it before and even resolve one problem in my own work. Thanks, man. But, I m not sure about how space elevators would work in this structure and keep it stable, need more lectures than only that wiki article. – Rodolfo Penteado May 8 '20 at 6:54
• @RodolfoPenteado The youtube channel of Isaac Arthur. You'll have to put up with a weird accent, but otherwise his megastructures playlist is choke-full of all the things some humans thought of this stuff. – Adrian Colomitchi May 8 '20 at 6:59