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In my DND world, I've established that there is a substance that has these properties:

  1. It is made from a chalky "dust" that can be mined
  2. The dust gets mixed with unspecified chemicals to create a clay-like, slightly sticky substance
  3. The clay-stuff gets cured in another unspecified chemical mixture, at which point the outside gets hard and brittle like glass (and shatters like glass)
  4. I haven't actually said this to the players, but my thought was that the curing process only cures the outside, and the inside stays spongy

This substance can be used for lots of minor magical feats, so of course my players want to experiment with it, to see if they can get it into weapons.

When I designed this, I wanted a substance that could not easily be made into a viable weapon, since true magic weapons are extremely valuable in DND, but can be sculpted by artisans before being cured. That's where I got the idea of the outside becoming glass-like. The part with the inside being spongy is optional, if it just doesn't make sense. The idea there was for it to gradually get dried out on the inside as it's used, so that it only works for a period of time, creating constant demand for the stuff.

When I had a player ask about making weapons with the "dust", my initial thought was that it would be like mixing glass with metal, but that apparently can't be done. (Can You Mix Glass in a Metal Alloy?)

So, now I'm wondering if I can let them discover a scientifically sound way to get this stuff into weapons, keeping the short-term feeling of the original substance. But having the process be scientifically sound requires that the physical characteristics of the substance are able to exist in the first place.

Does (or could) a substance like this exist, and if so, what are its physical/chemical properties, especially pertaining to making metallic alloys out of it?

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    $\begingroup$ Your title doesn't seem to fully match your text. Are you asking if it is possible to make a material that is spongy on the inside but glassy on the outside or are you asking for real life examples of such a material and whether they can be made into weapons? $\endgroup$ – Bellerophon Dec 2 at 20:39
  • $\begingroup$ My question is really the part that's in bold. I'm not sure how to word the title to convey that. $\endgroup$ – Kristen Hammack Dec 2 at 20:45
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    $\begingroup$ FWIW, you have partially described polyurethane while it is curing. The surface forms a smooth, tack-free surface within a few minutes. The inside remains pliant, however, and if you press on the surface, it can be deformed. This doesn't last, however, as the entire mass will harden after about 24 hours. $\endgroup$ – cobaltduck Dec 2 at 20:52
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    $\begingroup$ @KristenHammack "Sponginess" is a macroscopic effect, typically arising from a compressible foam. We'd probably need more specifics about what properties you are looking for, but effects like those can be manipulated at smaller structures. Materials with smaller structures can be surprising. For an example (albeit at a larger scale), here is a glass spring constructed simply by cutting a spiral with a waterjet. $\endgroup$ – Cort Ammon - Reinstate Monica Dec 2 at 22:43
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    $\begingroup$ Its a ceramic you have basically reinvented porcelain .en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcelain $\endgroup$ – John Dec 3 at 1:20
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Existence: yes, it's even easy. It would be like meringue, only with the outside annealed (with meringue you can do it with a hot air gun. You need high heat and quick passes to melt the outside fast enough that you neither burn it nor calcinate the inside).

Get this stuff into weapons -- not so much. You planned good so it could not be weaponized, and, well, it can't. Not mechanically; any blade or armor would simply shatter.

Chemically you could do lots of things - have it explode, or it could be made mostly of some useful element to have in an alloy. Chromium or manganese or vanadium. Since it uses magic, it can do magic things like slowly transmuting into some useful element. Or it could magically migrate inside the lattice of a normal steel sword (hydrogen gas already is able to do this, except the effect is that of embrittling the steel; gallium and mercury can do this to aluminum, ditto; and so on), turning it into super-steel.

Maybe the magic ions composing the inner part of the lump can migrate and adsorb inside a pure iron lattice, then slowly transmute into carbon, vanadium and chromium in such a way that the lattice itself is stressed - creating the equivalent of a Prince Rupert's drop.

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  • $\begingroup$ Cool! Thanks for all the ideas about the possible chemistry of it. I really like the idea of slow transmutation, and the examples of embrittled steel and aluminum give me some space to let them experiment and spectacularly fail :) $\endgroup$ – Kristen Hammack Dec 4 at 14:22
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Sure. I suspect you have some of this on your person right now.

tooth cutaway diagram

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_tooth#/media/File:Human_tooth_diagram-en.svg

Teeth are covered with extremely hard semicrystalline enamel. It can chip and it can crack, but it makes a durable hard cutting / grinding surface. The underlying dentin is porous and spongy.

You could use a tooth as a weapon. Lots of animals do. As regards augmenting a tooth with metal that is routinely done as well.

As regards regenerating the hard glassine outside layer that is a tooth issue for which I cannot find a solid answer. I would think the live cells within the tooth could regenerate the enamel to some degree but I could not find proof that is so. I could imagine that a weapon or tool might have this hard outer layer regenerated by a repeat heat treatment, remelting and resolidifying the glass. If some of the interior nonglass dentin turned into glassine enamel during this, the tool as a whole might shrink slightly with each regenerative treatment, this shrinkage limiting the number of regenerations possible.

Teeth are alive. If there is magic (and D&D has magic!) that could be a cool twist. Maybe your mineral things are actually alive - living teeth - and can be fed, grown and coaxed into new shapes. Or used as a tooth if you are missing your own or want better ones than nature gave you.

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  • $\begingroup$ Ooh, alive. That is an idea :) $\endgroup$ – Kristen Hammack Dec 4 at 14:23
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I feel like the question you're really asking is if someone could use a substance like this to create exceptionally sharp blades without having them shatter like one made of pure glass would, the answer is no. The surface layer would shatter and even if the blade stayed all in a piece, it'd be warped and your edge would be gone.

There's basically no material humanity is currently aware of that has superior qualities when it comes to being made into an edged weapon than steel alloys. Anything that can hold a sharper edge than steel can is MUCH more prone to impact damage.

Now, that said, you COULD have a substance that behaves like what you're describing. Basically imagine a lump of clay that forms a very hard, brittle surface layer on exposure to oxygen.

You could make some really nice ceramic tableware this way, but I can't think of any useful military applications.

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  • $\begingroup$ Not at all. The motivation for using this substance in weapons/armor is to gain the minor magical effects that this substance has. $\endgroup$ – Kristen Hammack Dec 2 at 20:50
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    $\begingroup$ I'm not sure this really answers the question. You've said why a material like this might make a bad blade but the question is about whether a material like the one described does/could exist and if so what properties it would have. $\endgroup$ – Bellerophon Dec 2 at 21:11

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