# How would oceans of supercritical CO2 on Venus-like exoplanets look like/behave?

Carbon dioxide turns supercritical above a pressure of 73 atm and 304.25 K (31.10 °C). The surface of Venus fullfils these conditions.

The density of the air at the surface is 67 kg/m3, which is 6.5% that of liquid water on Earth. The pressure found on Venus's surface is high enough that the carbon dioxide is technically no longer a gas, but a supercritical fluid. This supercritical carbon dioxide forms a kind of sea that covers the entire surface of Venus. This sea of supercritical carbon dioxide transfers heat very efficiently, buffering the temperature changes between night and day.

However supercritical CO2 on the surface of Venus still behaves very much like a gas. Some research suggests that Venus might once had more liquid-like supercritical CO2 on its surface.

The researchers found that depending on the pressure and temperature, clusters of gas-like supercritical carbon dioxide might have formed in this supercritical carbon dioxide on Venus that "looked like soap bubbles," Bolmatov said. "A bubble of gas that is covered by a thick layer of liquid."

Additionally I found this picture of supercritical CO2.

So is an Exo-Venus with true oceans of supercritical CO2 plausible? How would the ocean look like, visually and chemically? I assume that we would simply need greater pressures to get these oceans. So a super-Earth with more gas and higher gravity seems to be the way to go. Would the oceans and coastlines look weirdly earth-like or would the surface be a bubbling mess of "soap-bubbles"? What other chemicals could be found in these oceans? What does the liquid CO2 solve? Will the oceans be salty? Acidic or basic?

• This might be a case of falling in love with the word more than what it actually is. Supercritical CO2 sounds cool (at least to people that are into world building), but at the end of the day, it's just a very nice word for a rather boring thing. What do you hope to get with those oceans? What do you want to do in your world? Maybe there is a good way to get there other than CO2 – Raditz_35 Nov 16 '19 at 15:40
• @Raditz_35 My setting is a hard-scifi one. I'm just interested in exploring some more exotic (read not found in the solar system) planets in order to figure out how I could use them in stories later. If this planet is rather mundane, exept for having extreme pressures and temperatures, and looks pretty much like Earth I'm fine with that. – TheDyingOfLight Nov 16 '19 at 15:52
• It's probably worth considering that there are various supercritical liquid–gas boundaries, so it would depend on where your supercritical fluid is with respect to those. – user66717 Nov 16 '19 at 17:07
• Supercritical fluids are not liquids. Think of a supercritical fluid as a gas with the density of a liquid, or as a liquid with the expandability of a gas. That is, supercritical fluids are dense like liquids; but, like gases, they expand to fill the available volume: a supercritical fluid won't show a well-defined surface the way a liquid does. (And you may want to revisit the title of the question: supercritical CO2 is a fluid; you maybe wanted to say liquid-like; not that it would make any sense.) – AlexP Nov 16 '19 at 17:17
• What should "look like" or "behave" even mean? Your question (and all the other questions recently here about other molecular oceans) are ill-defined. Hard science can address numbers and not vague concepts. You can ask "How much $CO$ and $H_2O$ would I need to form a $CO_2$ ocean?" or "Under which conditions would $CO_2$ rain out?", but your question as it stands doesn't mean much. – AtmosphericPrisonEscape Nov 16 '19 at 21:18

Are supercritical oceans of CO2 possible? That depends on how you define "ocean", but yes. Making them more liquid-like just requires a cooler environment, easily achieved with a Venus-like world that happens to be somewhat farther from its sun than Venus is.

How would it behave? That depends on just exactly how liquid-like it gets. There are two not-very-interesting cases:

1. You start out at low-ish temperatures and high pressures. As altitude increases, the fluid smoothly passes into the definitely-liquid regime and then cross the liquid-gas phase boundary. This would look exactly like any other liquid ocean.
2. You start out at higher temperatures, transitioning smoothly into the definitely-gas regime at higher altitudes. This what Venus looks like. There is no clear transition marking an ocean surface distinct from the atmosphere. If life exists in the high-density solvent near the surface, it faces a blurry altitude limit where swimming upwards results in your biochemistry working continuously slightly-less-well up to the limit where all your macromolecules come out of solution.

The interesting cases occur close to the critical point. The environmental effects of such an environment are explored in Hal Clement's aptly-named novel Close to Critical, although the world of Tenebra in that novel has an atmosocean of supercritical water rather than supercritical CO2. If you can arrange for the mean temperature-pressure curve to pass right through, or very close to, the critical point, then you get:

1. A highly variable type ocean surface, which sometimes looks and acts like a normal liquid surface, sometimes just fades away completely, and in between exhibits critical opalescence, resulting in light-blocking "clouds".
2. An ocean surface which moves over the course of the day, depending on how much heat it's getting; the liquid/opalescent boundary should rise at night and fall during the day, rather like ocean tides but due to shifting positions on a phase-transition diagram rather than any gravitational interactions.
3. Giant "rain"; when bits of atmosocean condense into liquid near the boundary, they won't fall very fast, since they have nearly the same density as the surrounding gas-like medium. Thus, "raindrops" can end up being ridiculously large, presenting a potential hazard to creatures that might end up walking / swimming through them.

The problem with supercriticality is that due to the circumstances under which it arises, you lose any clear distinction like "liquid/gas" as you might get at the surface of a conventional ocean. Instead, you get a smooth increase in density and viscosity from the gas phase bits of the atmosphere into the supercritical bits, like a fog that just gets thicker and thicker. If the material in question can exist as a liquid under higher pressure, the smooth transition will continue, getting thicker and more viscous until you eventually end up in something that seems unambiguously liquid. That'll happen with hot, wet superterrestrial worlds, for example, but I don't think you'll get liquid CO2 on venus-like worlds.

You won't, therefore, have "oceans" of supercritical fluid... just banks of thick, foggy "cloud" that rapidly pour and settle into low-lying areas.

As for what it looks like, you tube does have some nice videos of supercritical transitions, such as this one. Watching the transition in process is interesting, but I'll include one possibly relevant screenshot:

From 1'48" into aforementioned video... this almost shows what I was really hoping for. There's liquid CO2 at the bottom (which is clear and shows some dark material behind it), and (I think) mostly gas-phase at the top (which is also clear, and shows some light material behind it), and the bit inbetween is some opaque and turbulent supercritical CO2. You can see it forms billowing cloud-like feature, both at the air-side and at the liquid side, showing how clear boundaries can easily disappear in this sort of situation.

So is an Exo-Venus with true oceans of supercritical CO2 plausible?

Maybe? We don't really know a whole lot about planet formation, after all.

How would the ocean look like, visually

Boring, cloudy and grey. And it wouldn't be an ocean, more of a fog bank.

The closest sort of phenomenon might be the terrestrial "sea of clouds"

(image source: _tiffany on flickr).

Note the ill-defined edges and billowing surface.

and chemically?

What does that mean? Like, the stuff dissolved in it? Presumably very vertically stratified, but other than that it could be all sorts of stuff. Too broad to answer here, really.

Would the oceans and coastlines look weirdly earth-like or would the surface be a bubbling mess of "soap-bubbles"?

Long term exposure to supercritical CO2 might be capable of causing surface erosion, as you'll still get equivalents of wind and waves in it. No massive destructive mechanical wave action (the density transitions are too smooth for that), but slow sedimentation under gravity and rippled landforms due to "wind"/"current" movement. Coastlines would seem likely to be smooth, with only fresh volcanic landforms or astroblemes showing sharp, complex shapes. I'm not sure that rain is likely to occur, so you probably wouldn't see classic drainage-basin type landforms, so mountain ranges upthrust by tectonic activity could have a very different set of shapes to terrestrial landforms, assuming that "ice" couldn't form on their peaks.

What other chemicals could be found in these oceans? What does the liquid CO2 solve? Will the oceans be salty? Acidic or basic?

You seem have segued from supercitical to liquid, there. If you meant "supercritical", I'll point you straight back to the wikipedia page you started from. It has stuff to say about its use as a solvent. I think the overall pH seems likely to be neutral. I'm not at all sure if a supercritical solvent could be saline... it seems possible. The upper transitional layers would presumably not have much in the way of dissolved chemicals in them, but the deeper you go the more you'd find.

• Thanks for the answer – TheDyingOfLight Nov 17 '19 at 22:47