# Is it possible for the remnants of a planet to be locked in orbit around another in a dual planet system?

I'm envisioning a double-planet system where both orbit around a central point. One planet is approximately Earth-sized, while the other is about one-tenth the size.

One of the planets (the smaller one) in this system has seen a catastrophe that has left about half or three-quarters of it as a cohesive whole while the rest is just rocks and space dust.

Is it possible for this debris to still be locked with the other planet?

• What do you mean, locked? Just remaining in orbit around one or the other planet, or around the whole system? Certainly most fragments would remain for a short time (some might achieve escape velocity), but they would likely coalesce into a new body, or be attracted to one or the other. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant-impact_hypothesis for a similar situation. Mar 10, 2019 at 18:54
• @jamesqf, I mean for it to remain in orbit around the central point of the system, while being geosynchronously locked. I was envisioning a world where the remains of the second planet and any debris in orbit around it appear in the same place in the sky when viewed from the other planet. Mar 11, 2019 at 7:52
• Do you mean for the large remnant body to remain tidally locked? (All the "rocks and space dust" will of course be spinning in random ways.) Then it depends on the geometry of the collision (or whatever event caused the catastrophe), and whether it imparted significant angular momentum. Mar 11, 2019 at 18:38
• Another point that needs to be clarified: when you say the body is 1/10 Earth size, do you mean diameter or mass? Mass goes by the cube of the diameter, so while the Moon is about 1/4 the diameter of Earth, it only has about 1/81 as much mass. (In addition to diameter, it's less dense as well: space.com/18135-how-big-is-the-moon.html ) Mar 11, 2019 at 18:45
• To be geosynchronously locked, debris must be on a geosynchronous orbit, which, for Earth, is 35,000 km Mar 11, 2019 at 21:51

It depends on what you mean by locked, but here are the options. The debris, depending on how it got torn apart from the rest of the planet, might explode outwards and leave the system all together. It is also possible for it to be pulled back in by the two planets. This could cause the debris to either collide with one of the planets or start orbiting one or both of the planets. If that happens, it will likely form a moon after an extended period of time. This is the same way our moon was formed. I hope that helped!

• Don't know how I missed this. But thanks, Hailey. It goes give me more options for my setting now. Mar 20, 2019 at 22:33
• No problem, I hope your story turns out great! Mar 22, 2019 at 2:01

If we assume the smaller planet was originally on a stable orbit, lost up to a half its mass and is still within that same stable orbit then vast majority of the impact debris must still be on that same stable orbit and falling back to the smaller planet.

The key here is that the debris and the planet started from the same state and since they are of generally same mass and the state of the planet did not change significantly the state of the debris cannot have either.

There are some exceptions to this. The parts of debris would have had some sort of distribution to their change of state and some would have sped off quite fast. Additionally whatever impacted the planet is also part of the equation. And strictly speaking the orbit probably did change somewhat. The important part is that if the planet is still on a stable orbit the changes must have balanced out to a degree that is extremely unlikely if the debris on average went very far from its original state.

Honestly this probably should have been written as a comment asking for a clarification if I understood you correctly but comments have length limitations so..

• So, as per the answer below, I think my 'planet' needs to be a lot bigger to even qualify for the title. That apart, I am assuming that some part has sped off - part has impacted the other planet, part of it has sped off into space. The cause of the impact is probably going to be (going a little on the improbable here) a weapon of sorts - something blew up a part of it (an energy weapon, so no projectiles are involved. Mar 11, 2019 at 7:40

First, Some Notes:

• Your smaller planet is about 1/3 the size of our moon. We can keep calling it a small planet but some know it all would probably tell you it's a moon (exactly like I am doing right now).
• You mention the objects co-orbit, which is true of our Earth-Moon system as well. However the center of mass of the Earth-Moon system is inside the Earth, so viewed from the frame of the center of mass the motion is better described as the Earth wobbling as the moon moves around it. Your system would look the same, with even less of an Earth wobble.
• Your smaller planet probably wont re-form into a spherical mass, unless enough ejecta falls back to the surface. It is near the limit where a celestial body would start to become spherical but I think with the dimension you give it could be reasonable to say it might go either way.

The Answer: Sure, With a Caveat

This first depends on whether your smaller planet survives the breakup. Even though half to three quarters of it is intact, we don't know whether the catastrophe has altered its velocity. We do know its mass has been reduced by up to 50%. It is quite possible that the smaller planet's orbit has been altered enough that it will collide with the larger planet. This would be catastrophic for both, obviously. Depending on the nature of the catastrophe I guess it is also possible that the smaller planet will escape from the larger planet. Since your question is probably assuming the orbit of the smaller planet is relatively unaltered, let's go with that.

Assuming the Smaller Planet Stays in a Stable Orbit

When your smaller planet is split, the rocks and dust that are ejected will essentially each have their own orbit within the system. Any piece of ejecta can be considered a negligible mass object in a restricted three body system. There are six main outcomes for a given piece of ejecta:

1. Remain in orbit around the smaller planet
2. Collide with the smaller planet
3. Fall into orbit around the larger planet
4. Collide with the larger planet
5. Orbit both planets
6. Escape the system

In fact all outcomes will probably happen and the eventual distribution of ejecta falling into each category will depend on the nature of the catastrophe. We can have a guess at how this will look though.

If you are only interested in what is technically possible, you may disregard the following and you will probably still end up with a believable scenario. If you want to go deeper and/or are interested in how each outcome may happen, read on.

Remember my mention of a three body system? Here is a plot of what that looks like:

Your larger planet is M1 and the smaller planet is M2. The five points are Lagrange points. The contours are an indication of the energy an orbit must have. Mathy details aside, we can imagine what might cause each outcome listed above:

• If ejecta has enough (but not too much) velocity in the right direction, it will enter orbit around the smaller body. If the catastrophe ejects material out into one plane, the ejecta might form a small ring around the smaller planet.
• If the ejecta is launched roughly outward without enough velocity to escape, it will fall back to the surface of the smaller planet. If the smaller planet has an atmosphere the drag will help more ejecta fall back to the surface. If the catastrophe created heat, the atmosphere will expand and the effect will be exacerbated.
• If ejecta is launched towards the larger planet with enough velocity it could enter orbit just around the larger planet.
• Same as the previous case, but ejecta is launched directly at the larger planet or hits enough of its atmosphere to create drag and fall to the surface.
• This is where the above image comes in. In a restricted three body system there are many possible orbits that move between the two main gravitating bodies. Here is a short example of a few possibilities. Many more simulations like this can be found using the google machine. Some ejecta will end up on these looping orbits, which may eventually settle into an orbit around one planet or the other. Also note the L4 and L5 points. These are "stable" equilibrium points around which orbits may form. After some time you will eventually find clouds of dust and rock at the L4 and L5 points ahead of and behind the smaller planet in its orbit. L1, L2, and L3 are "unstable" and thus ejecta won't accumulate there.
• Some ejecta may well have enough velocity to escape the entire system. At L2 is a "neck" through which ejecta has a higher chance of leaving the system due to the low energy required. If the catastrophe happens on the side of the smaller planet facing L2, much more ejecta will leave the system entirely.

Responding to Questions in Your Comment (revising size)

Sorry apparently I can't be succinct enough to do this in comments

• If you're making the smaller planet 1.5 times the size of the moon, the remaining 50-75% post-catastrophe will re-form into a spherical body.
• It is definitely possible for some ejecta to remain in orbit around the smaller planet. How much will depend on the nature of the catastrophe.
• The system could also be in geosynchronous orbit, but this is determined by its orbital radius (roughly 42,000 km for Earth). So if it were already geosynchronous and kept its orbit that would work. Note that geosynchronous means the orbital period is the same as larger planet's rotation period, but if the orbit of the smaller planet is inclined relative to the larger planet's rotation it will appear to make a figure eight across the northern and southern hemispheres. If you want it to be geostationary (sitting over one spot) it would have to orbit above the larger planet's equator at the geosynchronous radius.
• If your larger planet has the same rotation period as Earth, the smaller planet will look massive in the sky as it is 1.5 times bigger and 5 times closer than the moon currently. However, the slower your larger planet rotates, the further away geosynchronous orbit will be.
• Oh, I guess I should have made it larger then. I don't know why I thought that size would work. The idea is for the other planet to be, say about 1.5 times the size of the moon at least. I am assuming some of the ejecta has impacted the larger planet, and some has been ejected from the system altogether. Is it possible for some of the ejecta to be in orbit around the smaller planet's remains, and for this whole system to be geosynchronously locked with the larger planet? (If i am using the term incorrectly - I mean for the remains to appear fixed in the sky when viewed from the larger planet) Mar 11, 2019 at 7:49
• @Akashkapur answered as an edit to my answer. Note that you have quite a few questions bundled into one. I'd be happy to answer further questions but there are some other resources at your disposal. Try wikipedia to get an overview of things like: geosynchronous orbit, three body system, roche limit, sphere of influence. If you have very specific questions about orbital mechanics people here will answer them but there are also astronomy and physics stack exchanges which would be helpful as well.
– ben
Mar 11, 2019 at 22:50
• Sorry, I've been away a bit. Thanks, @ben, for the additional insights. This is quite helpful! Mar 20, 2019 at 22:32