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In my setting, the planet is grossly overpopulated. Vehicles are required to carry large loads of people from place to place. Bi-articulated buses are a necessity and have replaced regular buses as a whole.

However, I want to use double-decker tri-articulated buses rather than bi-articulated ones. Would such a vehicle realistically work? My setting has little difference from our modern day society in terms of the structure of roads and the like.

On a side note, how many passengers could it realistically hold? The closest real-life counterpart would be the Neoplan Jumbocruiser, a double-decker bi-articulated bus that could hold 170 passengers.

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    $\begingroup$ I seem to recall that the USA Federal Transit Administration tested superbuses in the 1970s and 1980s. They found extra-long buses too slow and too difficult to maneuver in heavy traffic, and too mechanically complex to be reliable (at the time). So, with a few exceptions, most US cities in the 1980s built rail-based transit corridor projects instead of bus-based. $\endgroup$ – user535733 Jan 26 at 5:04
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As far as road trains go, your tri-articulated bus is a bit tame.

There's no real reason you could not have such a bus, though it can be difficult for them to go around sharp corners. Its hard to make a road train have varying angles between the segments. Physics likes to make them all have the same angle.

This issue could be resolved by putting a driver on the tail segment to drive the back wheels. This is also a common approach for long vehicles such as NYFD's Ladder 34.

Your real limit is convenience. At some point, it becomes more convenient to simply have two busses. That quickly leads to it becoming the most efficient solution as well. If you have long hauls, like the Australian rigs do, you get really nice drafting bonuses to your efficiency. If you're Ladder 34, you can have a bigger ladder than anyone else. But if you're just ferrying people, there's limits to the advantages of road trains.

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EDIT - I'm beginning to wonder if these are photoshopped. I can't find the manufacturer's website.

Do you really mean tri-articulated? Most articulated buses have a single articulation. Bi-articulated are rarer such as this one:

Double Decker Huracan / Bi-Articulated Buss. Double Decker Huracan / Bi-Articulated Buss.

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    $\begingroup$ I honestly didn't think even these existed. Thanks for the photos! $\endgroup$ – JBH Jan 26 at 17:19
  • $\begingroup$ Actually I'm beginning to wonder if these are photoshopped. I can't find the manufacturer's website. $\endgroup$ – chasly from UK Jan 26 at 21:51
  • $\begingroup$ Original image by Riquelme Robles Marcos Eduardo. He clearly states that this is a design, not a real bus. BTW, you did get a license to reuse this image, yes? $\endgroup$ – AlexP Jan 27 at 0:05
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Stick with trains

When you get right down to it from an energy perspective, trains are always always more efficient than buses when you know where your population needs to be.

If your society has any comparison to modern societies, your cities are going to be segregated into 3 main areas; residential, commercial, and industrial. These distinctions are already fully understood and the need for transportation of people between these districts is also already fully understood.

The main reason why most public transport systems across the world are not efficient is because they adopt a 'star' cluster model, which implies that commerce, usually at the centre of a city model, is the most important sector in any given city design. The problem with this is that it doesn't account for two primary factors;

1) Growth of Scale, and
2) Industry

In any economic model, industry is what allows a society to grow and function. Commerce is merely a method of churn within a society that is capable of generating its own industry. What this means in practice is Ring Roads.

If you have people living all around the outer edges of your commercial centre, you also have industries relatively evenly distributed around that centre. Commerce, by definition, needs to be in the centre of a given industrial society so as to allow the even distribution, export and import of good across that society. Industry on the other hand is better placed in close proximity to the source of raw materials and labour for that industry. As a result, ring roads allow for the populace to reach the primary sources of employment around the centre of the society defined by the city in question.

What all this means in practice is that if you know where your people live AND where your people work, then putting in tracks and train infrastructure is far more cheaper than building roads AND ever increasing sizes of buses and other capital transport investments to get people from home to work and back.

Ultimately, most cities are reasonably predictable. That means that you know how many people are travelling between point A and B at any given time, which in turn means that you can plan for rail options to move those people and have a far more energy and financially efficient model of transport for goods and workers.

Buses (God bless their cotton socks) are really about filling gaps in change between distribution conduits. If you have an established transit route, trains will always be more efficient than 'road train' bus and cargo models. That said, in a society where (geographically) there is constant changes in residential and industrial sectors, buses are the way to go because they require less up front capital expenditure. Most large cities however do not follow that model, and if you want an example of how a large organised society can fail to implement efficient public transportation via rail, one need look no further than Los Angeles.

In my home town of Canberra, Australia, this debate is currently an active part of local politics. The anti-light rail lobby always point to cost, and yet the local government is already restricting parking spaces in the central regions to the point that parking is becoming a blood sport. They say that it's in order to promote choice, without really giving an alternative. This is despite Canberra's bus company (ACTION) heavily investing in articulated buses.

Bottom line is that as any city becomes more heavily congested, the answer is always more efficient alternatives to road congestion. Larger and larger buses are not the answer in such cases; what is needed is a transport conduit that bypasses roads completely and which our DNA is somehow programmed to give way to, regardless of how congested the roads may be.

The answer to that is trains.

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Would it work effectively, you ask. I think what I read here is YES, but it wouldn't be a top choice logically. But for world building, who needs all that logic?

Maybe you're scheming an off-grid triple-segment articulated bus chase and can't tell us without spoiling a plan. With that said, I agree with an above comment that a driver in the back would be MORE effective but not required.

Think of luggage carriers that chase planes around the airport. They have all manner of extra cars segmented or articulated or not and off tracks. The biggest danger comes when the back tracks a different radii than the front; when a 90-degree turn deteriorates to a wider, 70-degree turn.

In chasing the most effective operation for your lesser logical vehicle, you might enjoy pursuing the engineering that minimizes that danger. The real life physics might add more to your story that you still can't tell us! I think even articulated busses need wide turns but something about those luggage carriers keeps their back tires in good line with the path the front tires took and there's no second driver.

You might find 15-segment articulated carriers that hold eight or ten passengers a piece provide more juice for your efforts AND fit the bill for solving engineering problems.

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