In a highly charitable society, are there any ways to remain impoverished?

Question

For the story I'm planning out, the setting is on one of the worlds of a technologically advanced extraterrestrial race well-known for their economic infrastructure, which includes incredibly efficient logistics networks that are capable of transporting matter across continents and between neighboring planets at low cost. The availability of resources for those who are truly in need is practically a guarantee; charity is considered to be a respectable, but not at all mandatory, action, and many of the largest companies -- alongside the tens of thousands of smaller businesses and wealthy individuals -- are generally happy to contribute. Charities determine who gets what, and for how long. Generally, if the recipients are able to work, but don't have jobs, they are given supplies so long as they are actively seeking out employment. Various safeguards are in place to assure that nobody slips through the cracks, while simultaneously ensuring the system isn't cheated.

The problem that I am facing is the issue of poverty in such conditions: I had imagined the main character's backstory as one of poverty, coming from a very poor family, without considering the exact details as to how that's possible in their society. With faster-than-light communications and transportation, coupled with the availability of both work and affordable goods, and the presence of such vast amounts of resources for the genuinely impoverished ("genuinely" as determined by the agents who determine eligible recipients), is there any reasonable way to remain in poverty?

I've thought long and hard on this, and the only justifiable answers I've been able to come up with are:

• if a frontier world or a distant colony is outside the usual logistics routes;
• if some physical disruption (i.e., debris fields, singularities, raiders, etc.) were to cut off routes;
• if individuals are too stubborn to receive aid, but aren't capable of holding down a sufficient job, either.

Answer 1

As someone once said, "The poor are always with us". That's because poverty is relative, not absolute. The people who are considered poor in Western society today have, in many ways, wealth exceeding the wildest fantasies of medieval aristocrats: indoor plumbing, modern medicine, TV and cell phones, the work of writers & musicians available at the wave of a hand.

So the bottom fraction of a population will always be 'the poor'. Even in a Communistic society: it's just that there the poor are the 99% who aren't Party functionaries.

Answer 2

What about a non-participating community?

There could be something similar to the Amish - a separate minority subculture that rejects large portions of the primary culture. They could either object to the technology, or even charity itself on theological or ideological grounds.

Then your character can originate from that community, basically living in poverty until he's exposed to the primary culture and decides to switch.

Answer 3

How good are the safeguards? All it takes is one corrupt bureaucrat who decides to make the protagonist's life miserable.

Even if there is normally enough oversight to prevent abuse, that might not apply to a frontier world which nobody pays much attention to.

To make the local environment even worse, add in a bit of crime. The money is only adequate if it isn't constantly being stolen/extorted by those who have given up on finding a legitimate income.

Answer 4

Even with plentiful aid delivered perfectly efficiently, there are still reasons why people might be 'poor' (relative to the average in your world). Perhaps they spend unwisely and end up over their heads in debt. Or they gamble everything away. They sell the aid they do receive to buy drugs or other illicit items/services. They might be mentally ill and not able to take care of themselves... but refuse to willingly be placed in homes. Or they might just be flat out lazy and irresponsible, refusing to get jobs or unable to keep them.

Answer 5

I doubt this fits your scenario, but all charity/welfare systems that make efforts to "prevent cheating" have a fundamental weakness that you may be able to exploit. That is the concept that some people are not worthy of charity or support, are less deserving than others. This is confirmed by the "actively seeking out employment" mention.

This means that members of minorities or people with other issues will fall through the cracks. This is an issue even in state ran welfare systems where the bureauacracy often fails at managing people that don't fit the expected patterns. On a system based on voluntary charity the charity organizations will have a natural tendency to focus on people they concern most deserving, and people who don't fit the definition that particualar organization has of "deserving" will never even make the list.

If all the charitable organizations available share the same definition of deserving, the affected people will get support from nowhere. This obviously works better if the location is some backwater where the availability of charity sources is more limited. People might also be unfamiliar with the system for some reason and have reduced ability to seek aid. This is common for people with mental health issues, addictions, immigrants, minorities... Pretty much all systems that are in danger of falling thru the cracks, really.

From the utopian flavor of your system, I'd assume there is some system for fixing such issues. So the issue would be short lived. Something that first affects the parents of the character and gets fixed after he has grown up. Having it take that long also supports some more remote location and that the particular minority/issue is specific to that location and largely unknown elsewhere.

I can't really give specific suggestions to fit your setting, but generally this would be an ethnic or religious minority that for some reason is considered undesirable by their neighbours. Visibly different, different customs...

Answer 6

• Option #1: The person is mentally ill

  Use a realistic approach that is true even in the modern First World countries. A large chunk of truly poor (homeless) is that way due to a mental illness.

  I can expand into more detail if you're interested in exploring that approach.

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• Option #2: Micro-society with the strong/powerful taking from the weak.

  Again, pretty much modeled on what we see in reality: in many poor countries, the amount of aggregate aid from rich countries dwarfs the needs of the poor. BUT, that aid doesn't go to the poor who need it - it goes to either corrupt local people in power, OR to whoever is strong enough to take the resources by force from those weaker - which could very well be your uncle or someone else in the family, so donors don't know about it.

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• Option #3: Deliberate living off-the grid.

  Someone is paranoid about being on-the-grid.

  Remember, if you aren't paying for the product - you ARE the product!

  Or you run a criminalish underground enterprise and don't want connection to modern infrastructure that can track you.

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• Option #4: Poverty by choice.

  People rejected material wealth and underwent privation by choice often - for religious or philosophical reasons. Ascetics, early-Christianity Syrian monks who sat on poles, assorted vows of poverty. You can't charity-help someone who prefers to remain impoverished.

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• Option #5: You are abhorrent to everyone.

  You (your actions or opinions) are so abhorrent that NOBODY wants to give you charity. That's the libertarianish beauty of charity vs. welfare - you aren't forced to support someone who wants you dead/hates you/etc...

  OK, out of all my approaches, this one is ironically the one that is 100% definitely "fictional" and doesn't possibly exist in our modern real Earth world.

  Women fall in love with, marry and send money to serial killers in jail. People follow Hitler. People wear Che Guevara tshirts. People vote for "(GWBush|Obama:pick one)". People defend Saddam, Stalin, Al-Assad and Mao. People give money to ISIS.

  There's literally NOBODY who is so abhorrent that 100% of human race would shun and not support them.

Answer 7

The protagonist's parents could have been self-sufficiency fundamentalists who were not only too stubborn to accept aid but also philosophically opposed to all the philanthropy around them. In their evangelism of the virtues of personal integrity, they may have offended their potential employers, leaving them at the mercy of the charities which they loath.

Alternatively, the protagonist's parents might be charitable extremists who insist on giving away all of their assets and revenues. Despite holding respectable and highly compensated jobs, neither parent keeps enough of the income to provide more than a spartan existence for the children.

As usual, the extreme points on any spectrum seem to resemble each other more than either of them resemble the median centerpoint.

Answer 8

You summed up the problem very nicely: "Generally, if the recipients are able to work, but don't have jobs, they are given supplies so long as they are actively seeking out employment." If a family has a culture which spurns the available jobs, just how much aid do they get? They might, for instance, hold that they are intrinsically superior (bloodlines, ethnicity, a famous ancestor, etc.) and reject any job which pays less than they believe they deserve. Or they might reject the attitudes which would allow them to keep the jobs they do get - things like showing up for work every day, or working for a boss who does not "treat them right".

Answer 9

A few alternative ideas!

Maybe your protagonist comes from a 'military' family and was raised on the front lines of a conflict where resources were scarce. Or perhaps he grew up in space, serving the needs of people working on transports and freighters. He would never have enjoyed the luxuries of those who lived a 'normal' life. Thus, his family would likely have no real estate holdings or a planet to really call home.

Another thought: If your main character's father was once a well-known criminal or otherwise disgraced the family name, would that not affect him adversely growing up? If so, he would likely have been (unfairly) denied opportunities and rewards that others received freely.

Answer 10

I'm not sure whether you meant "reasonable way" or "plausible way".

One way that occurs to me immediately is that some people might choose to remain in poverty. It seems inconceivable that anyone would actively make that choice. And yet... in the middle ages, there were several monastic traditions that required, on entry, a vow of poverty. People took that vow, and many took it seriously. A cynic might argue that everyone who took such a vow did it out of some form of disguised self interest. I choose to look at it differently. I think that some people want to get things out of life that poverty enables more than comfort.

For some tradition other than Christian, all you have to do is look at the life pattern of Gautama Siddhartha (the Buddha). He gave up a life of wealth and power to pursue a different goal.

Answer 11

I saw several answers that posit that maybe your main character either refused charity or did something terrible enough that everyone refused to give him charity. What if this society is not post-discrimination - and the main character falls into a class of person, through no fault of his own, that the charitable don't feel so charitable toward?

This doesn't necessarily have to be one of today's hot-button topics of inequality, though it could be (likely turned on its head), especially in a space-faring fiction: race could be redefined as species, or else as discrimination based on world of origin. Perhaps your society believes they have transcended gender and virtually everyone is either hermaphroditic or neuter - and they all view your male character as backwater or strange. Perhaps your character's sexual orientation differs, or his religion (maybe just having a religion is stigmatizing - many people today seem to think of religion and science as incompatible, maybe that viewpoint spread)?

My personal recommendation is that your character was originally born into money - a high class family who lost everything. The reason would need to be worked into your story, of course: maybe they supported a failed coup (or supported a supplanted ruler), perhaps they invested in a failure/rebel/con artist too heavily, any number of random, natural, or intentional events could bankrupt a family. And then those in charge of doling out charity don't feel they deserve any more help, given how poorly they managed the wealth they had or their history of bad decisions (even if it was just the one, not the character's fault at all).

Answer 12

I agree with an earlier post about wealth/poverty being relative.

I assume that you are thinking of the kind of poverty where you can't maintain one or several of the basics - food/clean water/decent healthcare/accomodation. And you would really want people in the underclass to die from the lack of any of these things to up the ante. So you really need to make something essential scarce, and then it doesn't matter how good the transportation/welfare system is, the scarcity won't make it to the lower classes.

Perhaps some essential vaccination that is expensive to make (or purchase from a private company). Or poorly designed and dangerous accomodations - these won't be improved by good transportation.

But remember, once basic needs are met, there are other higher level needs. The underclass may not have the same opportunities for education, or travel. Perhaps they have to work hard labour from an extremely young age.

Answer 13

There is probably a lot of unemployment in your universe. Quote:

technologically advanced extraterrestrial race well-known for their economic infrastructure, which includes incredibly efficient logistics networks that are capable of transporting matter across continents and between neighboring planets at low cost

Sounds like there are few people involved.

The jobless who are provided charity as long as they actively seek employment might easily make up over 50% of the population, and many will be forced to "actively seek employment" for their entire lives without ever finding any.

People will be depressed and cynical, and will drop out of that system. Better to be poor but free than somewhat more comfortable but forced to do pointless job searches forever.

Answer 14

A few ideas:

Perhaps the parents have a job, and thus are not eligible, but it is low paying, and they lose the money that they do have quickly, for some reason.
-Maybe gambling, or rent.
-Paying the local gangs to leave them alone.
-It's big family, so the money is stretched too thin.
-Or maybe they just donate everything they get!

For some reason, people could refuse to let them spend their money.

They are secretly rich, but they don't want to spend money because they don't want to draw attention to themselves(they are hiding from something from the past).

Answer 15

Poverty is relative.

As another answer explains, what is considered poverty in some parts of the world would be considered wealthy in other parts of the world. For example, in the USA, the poverty line is roughly $11000 for an individual. Whereas in other parts of the world such an income per year would be considered quite wealthy.

Secondly, if you are dependant on government aid to live day to day, you will struggle. The amount of money or other resources made available is inherently less than what a person would earn when working - other wise there is no incentive to work. As such the protagonist would feel poor as they are not able to get new toys or other things that kids at school might have.

This also brings up the social stigma relating to being on some kind of government hand out or benefit. Rough neighbourhoods, or bullying of those who have to rely on government aid.

Answer 16

All the current real world ways. Nothing really changes.

Poverty means not having the income to sustain a certain standard of living, either by not having any income, or that income being too low.

Charities giving food and shelter do not attack the root of the problem, they only alleviate it. Your poor won't starve or be homeless (well, there's always the ones who refuse the help), but they'll stay poor until they get that income.

Answer 17

To stay poor your protagonist could :

1. receive but refuse aid -pride or shame -especially if their family became poor as a result of bad judgement on their part or treason, etc

2. become a convict or castaway - maybe wronged by law, maybe misjudged or not and really guilty of something that made them live "outside society" - or their family that had such premises and the protagonist gets to live in such conditions, plus the social stigma that can cause him/her to avoid others either for shame/pride related reasons or for fear of reprisals.

3. become somehow marooned on a "desert island" - say they managed to land a damaged ship on a planetoid surrounded by a deadly asteroid belt and/or communications are blocked for some reason and they can't contact others (think modern sci-fi Robinson Crusoe)

4. have other priorities in life- not necessarily a monk and poverty vows but certain high risk jobs that also demand terrible working hours and although the pay is more than adequate,our poor guy or gal does not simply have the time to spend and enjoy his/her fortune and lives a miserable, overworked and joyless, basically poor life-despite the actual monetary resources that are there but never taken advantage of. Could be temporary.Practical poverty but not actual poverty, still all the hallmarks are there- extreme tiredness, lack of proper meals at regular intervals, high stress,low quality and quantity sleep usually not far from if not near or in the office, always at the ready- think emergency doctors, think front line commanders active in wars or maybe more exotic professions like navigators in dangerous space regions while traversing vast perilous expanses etc.

5. if the setting allows for that-be fallen /disgraced nobility, or bankrupt businessman or investor- used to have lots, made bad decisions or unfair conditions were imposed on them, now they are basically poor and slowly recovering but there are issues with receiving charity. For one, they have been rich for so long nobody would list them as top priority, and they are proud enough to not let the situation be widely known.Prior status somehow hurts rather than protects in this case

6. have too much good will - they will give away even more than they owned if they could, because they support maybe not society in general but some specific research or ongoing good cause they totally believe in so they pour their all into that.

7. be or become as a result of some change- any kind of cultural refugee. A dissident if you will.Maybe a reformist who does not agree with the ways of society and seeks alternate survival methods

8. really wild here : exiled king,fallen former master of a territory/domain.The ruler of the previous society exiled by a victorious revolution

9. Tarzan the jungle boy/gal - he/she is totally adorable and would/will be supported by society but alas, their ship crashed on a relatively uninhabited jungle planet (now I'm going all B- and C rated movie tropes here) or variations thereof

10. Not Tarzan the jungle boy but somehow they slipped through time and lived in a distant -think almost bronze-age-like past and now returned from there . Accidental or deliberate - until they fixed the thingmabob that can get them back where they belong, all their inventory will consist in a bunch'a skins, a stick with a pointy stone tip and/or several small makeshift tools. Cavemen from the future past...When they finally get back all they are rich in is lice and stories.

Answer 18

A few other answers touched on some of this but i didn’t see it put together quite the way i saw it, soo

With the phrase “Coming from a background of poverty”, as i translated it, i would assume it to primarily be a parent/family situation in his past, not a really personal to him situation. Kids don’t have a say in who/what their family is or has. And any charity determining who gets what, is dependent on where they get their information from, and where it goes to (specifically to a family not necessarily one person within a group or to a parent not a child). Also, there are limitations and stipulations like has to seek work if able, and potentially other lawful/moral restrictions.

So one possibility is, someone(s) in the family were… misdiagnosed as able to work when they actually weren’t. They then can’t claim from charities, and can’t hold a job - and trying might make things worse. They might be able to get a second opinion, but… if it was a borderline case, if it didn’t fit a social narrative (as historically visible vs invisible disabilities narratives ran), if they believed they “should” be able to overcome the issue (re mental health misinformation today), self blame or victim blaming, if they or others trusted a doctors diagnosis over an individuals, they might not get one or if softly asked it might be influenced by what was already in the file not a truly independent second opinion. In that case, they don’t get the charity. (Specific note: something genuinely mistaken would not trigger any precautions aimed at malicious behavior, and it can be hard to untangle when biology is messy and people can be convinced that the inability is a question of fault. Sigh)

Now, there’s implications for the family as a whole. They have to survive on less than what they “should”. Dividing what they do have best they can to cover the extra. Charitable society, and the family should believe those virtues and of course would support their own especially if they can see a genuine struggle. One more thing, though, is others judgements… they know charity is available and so-n-so Didn’t qualify. Isn’t trying. Opinions drop.

But wait there’s more - they have less per person and higher costs, maybe extra expenses to cover whatever that misdiagnoses left out, needs, and so maybe they have to step back from ordinary charity… I’m thinking community things like bake sales or volunteering or whatever. Less funds or time or energy. However, this also serves to distance them from the community.

So now they’re being judged for not -giving as much as they should. Not maintaining community standards or social ties. Are they really part of the social and support networks, if they don’t contribute?? Opinions drop.

And this becomes the whole family issue instead of just the misdiagnosee, because they are supporting each other. So-n-so might be lazy, but… rest of the family is, supporting them? Enabling them? Letting the kids survive on less just because so-n-so didn’t want to put effort in?? Opinions drop.

So charities, don’t want to give. Community doesn’t want to support, and individuals judge heavily that the rest of the family is allowing such behaviors. Uhoh looks like a hard time for that family.

Additional complications - if it’s an invisible/difficult to diagnose health issue, more than one person in the family might have had similar situations/issues, either presently or historically, which affect the family’s reputation and access to charity, and/or spread the resources they do have thinner to cover extra people. And, another factor might be that, given the whole family might be considered actively complicit in supporting so-n-sos “choices”, they might choose not to offer aid to others in the family, or even a child of the family the way they might for shortages from a more “deserving” reason.

And independent of that, a poor reputation might encourage other poor assumptions for the family, like accusations (real or false) of criminal action and so on. Further reducing their presumed eligibility for charities.

And last thing? individuals might start losing faith in each other, the charity system, the medical system, the local community… because something is wrong but what n how to fix it, isn’t clear.

So there would be a poverty, from lack of resources per person but also some of the lack of faith in system or poor community cohesion we sometimes see in underserved communities today. We might see overreliance on system/beliefs by those “escaping” such a family/community. In short that’s a lot of room for human messiness for plot points or character development.

Answer 19

Just how long does the poverty need to last? I can see two routes to poverty in childhood:

1. Abusive parents. We see that now, they actually have enough money but the drink/smoke/drug/gamble it away rather than providing for their children. If it's severe enough CPS usually gets involved but on the milder end it might not be apparent.

2. The parents are criminals on the run. Life in the shadows, they can't avail themselves of the help available because they would be caught and sent to jail.

Answer 20

There is a difference between charity (given at the discretion of the donor) and welfare (an entitlement of the recipient by law).

Welfare ultimately means that the government redistributes wealth from the rich to the poor through tax collection according to laws and regulations. You don't mess with the tax men unless you have really good lawyers ...

If there are more poor people and fewer rich people, initially the state goes into deficit to pay out the welfare as prescribed by law. This deficit will have to be made good somehow, through taxes or budget cuts (possibly welfare cuts) or currency devaluation, but that takes time.

Charity means individuals decide to pay or give. Perhaps this month they're busy. Or they have less to give. Or it isn't Christmas season and they don't feel like giving. Or there was a disaster on another continent and too many donate for that.

The bottom line, you can't rely on charity. You can only hope for it.

Answer 21

Just because a society is "highly charitable" doesn't mean they think everyone deserves it. There may be strings attached, there may be open racism or religious discrimination, etc.

Even on a purely economic basis, your description provides one easy opening:

Generally, if the recipients are able to work, but don't have jobs, they are given supplies so long as they are actively seeking out employment.

If the definition of "actively seeking out employment" is too burdensome, or the definition of "able to work" is incorrect, then someone might remain in poverty. Someone might obtain (be required to, or they obviously weren't really seeking it) a job whose salary puts them below the poverty line, but not considered to "truly need" charity because they have a job.

All of these problems exist today for welfare, and there's no obvious reason that they wouldn't likewise exist for private charity even in a "highly charitable" society.

Answer 22

While this is an extraterrestrial race if you start with the fundamental needs of humans:

• subsistence - food, shelter, clothing
• protection - social security, health systems
• affection - friendships, family
• understanding - school, literature
• participation - responsibilities, duties, work, rights
• leisure - games, parties
• creation - invent, build, design, compose
• identity - places one belongs to
• freedom - autonomy, passion, self-esteem

You can imagine a world where a charitable society only fulfils some of these needs but withholds others thereby making one poor:

• Giving you food and shelter (subsistence) but not friendship (affection). Perhaps going so far as to make people leave existing friends and family and live in a poorhouse.
• Giving you clothing that is really a uniform that identifies you as poor. Causing other members of the community to treat you as a pariah.
• Not giving you protection (perhaps on this planet you have to subscribe to a police service) so that you constantly fear for your life.
• Not giving you access to computers/Internet or limiting it in some way. This could deprive you of many things leisure, social networking sites, etc. You could even have a planet where everything is very drab, utilitarian looking and there is no visible form of recreation. However, people spend much of their time in "the better world" which is some sort of virtual reality or holodeck where you can meet other people, engage in almost any leisure activity with them, create and view works of art, etc.