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Scansoriopterygidae was a family of theropod dinosaurs that lived during the Jurassic, the most well-known member of which was Yi Qi. They are thought to have been arboreal insectivores, and convergently evolved bat-like wings.

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Paleontologists currently think that it may have been capable of very weak flapping, but was likely an exclusive glider. The Scansoriopterygids went extinct in the late Jurassic, about 156 mya, but had they continued to live through the Cretaceous, I'd say that they'd be at least potential K-Pg survivors.

In my project (See also these questions on cockatrices, hydras, griffins, giants, sea serpents and merfolk), the Earth is inhabited by many creatures from human mythology that are supposed to be as scientifically plausible as possible (Note that in the project, the biology is the primary focus, and the story comes second). One such animal I'd really like to include are dragons - or, rather, wyverns.

The question is: is the premise of large, flying theropods descended from Scansoriopterygids which survived into the Cretaceous and Cenozoic plausible? Let me explain a bit more about my wyverns:

  • They are capable of powered flight
  • They can grow to large sizes, with 15-20 metre wingspans (Equivalent to the largest pterosaurs)
  • They have not "taken over the world", in the way that birds or mammals did. They are far from the dominant form of life.

One of the problems that may exist for this concept is that Scansoriopterygids were gliders - and, according to many people I've heard - "gliding animals can't evolve into flying ones". Is this correct? Can I achieve gliders evolving powered flight, without having them lose the ability to glide and then evolve flight? If Yi Qi really was capable of weak flaps, this problem could be overcome by enlarging the pectoral muscles.

Then, there is size. A lot of the time, it's hard to just scale up a small animal and end up with a biomechanically functional organism. So, before asking this question, I thought about why bats can't grow as big as birds or pterosaurs. The main ideas I came up with were:

  1. Birds were already the dominant diurnal fliers when bats evolved,
  2. Membraned wings are more susceptible to damage
  3. Soaring is harder at night due to lack of rising air currents.

Could these problems be overcome?

Lastly, there is the fact that they "haven't taken over the world". The bullet point was a bit vague, but I pretty much mean that I don't want them to be nearly as ubiquitous as mammals or birds. Ideally, there should be about 500 species or less, almost all of which will be small-ish, hawk-sized ones, with a dozen or two species that are very large.


If I haven't mentioned it in the list of bullet points, you don't need to address it in your answer - so the likes of fire-breathing, scales vs. feathers etc. can be left to me.

If you require more information, please say so, and do the same if you suggest it to be broad, off-topic or opinion-based.

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    $\begingroup$ Tip on better linking toother questions: try using actual descriptions (short phrases or similar) of what the link goes on about, instead of writing 'this question' for each link. You can easily include them as parts of phrases, etc. Have a look at how TVTropes and the other wiki do it. $\endgroup$ – dot_Sp0T Sep 8 '18 at 13:59
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    $\begingroup$ @dot_Sp0T Done, thanks for the advice. $\endgroup$ – SealBoi Sep 8 '18 at 14:03
  • $\begingroup$ side note: "The Scansoriopterygids went extinct in the late Jurassic, about 156 mya, but had they continued to live through the Cretaceous, I'd say that they'd be at least potential K-Pg survivors". If they weren't able to reach it, how could have they even survived it? $\endgroup$ – L.Dutch - Reinstate Monica Sep 8 '18 at 14:19
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    $\begingroup$ @L.Dutch If, for whatever reason, the event that wiped out Scansoriopterygids did not occur, and they survived throughout the Cretaceous era, they would seem like good candidates for organisms to survive the meteor impact - they're small, and quite-bird like. $\endgroup$ – SealBoi Sep 8 '18 at 15:28
  • $\begingroup$ @John Yes... but Yi Qi didn't. For me, the ancestry is as important as the end result, so I'd rather keep them as Scansoriopterygids. $\endgroup$ – SealBoi Sep 8 '18 at 17:08
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Gliding animals have evolved into flying ones at least twice, anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Birds did not evolve from gliders but they are likely the only ones. It is also the reason birds legs are not involved in flight, because they evolved from cursorial jumpers, both locomotions systems needed to be seperate.

Bat don't get as big because mammals are pretty crapily designed for large size, our breathing is in efficient and live birth works against us for fliers. Note bats are more maneuverable in flight (larger percentage of mass in the wings and curlable wings) than birds so the bat design is not all negatives.

Yi qi the Scansoriopterygidae is just bleeping weird, If you want dragon like wings it will be a great choice. the wing support prong is not preserved in Scansoriopteryx bit it does not have the greatest wrist preservation and there are some suspicious splinters of bone, since it is juvenile if that prong is ossified cartilage they might not be preserved. Note also the tail from Yi qi was not preserved so that is just artists fancy, the closest relative we have has a much longer tail.

However the two seperate locations systems will limit the size far more than it does in pterosaurs, unless you regress it to a more pterosaur like posture (quadrupedal). There is a reason the biggest flying birds are nowhere near the size of the biggest pterosaurs. Alternatively there is no reason you could not have earlier pterosaurs develop bat like wings instead of the monodigit ones they had.

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  • $\begingroup$ If I recall correctly, birds evolved flight from WAIR, bats evolved it from dropping from branches and flapping, and pterosaurs started out as hoppers, using their wings for jump boost. $\endgroup$ – SealBoi Sep 8 '18 at 18:54
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    $\begingroup$ WAIR is just something similar modern birds do, it showed incomplete wings can still generate aerodynamic forces. Early birds are absolutely wrong for arboreal living and are entirely cusorial . birds evolved flight from raptorial jumping strike, pterosaurs start as climbers like bats, the reversible hip joint and the shapes of the claws give it away. $\endgroup$ – John Sep 9 '18 at 1:43

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