# Is a ring planet possible?

No planet in the center, just a large O shape made up of large chunks of rock that in and of itself itself orbits a sun, as if it were a planet (as distinct from a ringworld). I know most of the time, similar structures tend to coalesce into a planet, but is there any radius with any amount of mass where it would keep itself together with its gravity and yet not form a planet?

Not a solid torus, but a ring of planetoids. (Imagine Saturn but without the planet at the center).

It need not be habitable or earth-like in any extent, I just would like to know if it is possible, to sate my curiosity.

• Jul 31, 2018 at 19:42
• @HDE226868 I'm thinking of a ringed planet without the rings, which may create a torus-like shape, but isn't solid. I'm still reading through the questions and answers from those links, but can't find anything directly applying to this particular question yet. Jul 31, 2018 at 19:51
• @Aify I do not think this is the same question. What makes you think that it is? Jul 31, 2018 at 19:57
• @HDE226868 that's part of the question, because I'm just asking if there is a scenario where it is possible given any possible mass and radius Jul 31, 2018 at 19:58
• @HenryTaylor I've added some description of what I mean. Jul 31, 2018 at 20:04

This is unstable See the Edit

We know that binary stars can orbit around one another similar to what you're doing with your ring-o-worlds. They orbit around a central "center of mass" point.

It has been suggested that anywhere from half to nearly all star systems are multiple-star systems, including systems of 3 or more stars. Therefore, it's possible for your ring-o-worlds to exist from the perspective of (and this is the important part) no other interfering gravimetric source.

The problem is when you put the ring-o-worlds in orbit around a star. That star imposes a difference in gravity between the planets given any moment in time. It doesn't matter how small it is. That it exists means a wobble exists in the ring-o-world self-orbit, a wobble that (over time) eventually leads to the planets falling out of their self-orbit.

Because of this issue, it isn't possible for the ring-o-worlds to develop in the first place. By the time habitability was attained, they would have long-since decayed into normal orbits.

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After some research, I'm not so sure the ring-o-worlds idea isn't possible.

The third type which will consider for now is the Double Binary system which will have two sets of binary stars orbiting a centre in between them. In the outer binary system, they will orbit round a centre and then those two will orbit round a fix centre with another two. (Source)

And perhaps more authoritatively...

In October of 2012, the first four-star planet was confirmed by the Planet Hunters program from Yale. The planet – called Planet Hunters 1 (PH1) – is a circumbinary planet meaning it is orbiting a pair of stars instead of just one. Furthermore, orbiting that pair of stars is another pair meaning this planet is in a system with four stars total. With so many large forces acting on this system, the stability is, of course, a question of concern. According to the paper announcing PH1’s discovery, though, “the system is indeed stable on gigayear timescales” (Schwamb 2013). This implies there are formation possibilities never considered and is inspiring further study of PH1. ...

With their calculation, Schwamb et al. found the quadruple star planetary system to be stable; although they mention it barely crossed the threshold of stability. (Source)

A double-binary star system suggests a ring-o-worlds could survive orbiting around its star. And from our sister site, Astronomy.SE:

A double planet system is less likely. It's unlikely to form on it's own during planet formation as that requires too much planetary angular momentum during formation.

It's possible, but also unlikely to form by giant impact, as that's more likely to leave 1 planet and 1 moon. I've read (but can't find an article right now) that there's a giant impact size ratio and it's in the planet-moon range, not planet planet. Much less than 1 to 1. Pluto-Charon is 9-1 and Earth-Moon 81-1. A giant impact is also unlikely to create an Iron rich core for both objects. It's not a good way to create planet-planet.

That leaves a 3rd possibility, also unlikely, but perhaps the most likely of the bunch is planet capture. Planets can form in Trojan points in the same orbit (Theia). The difficulty with orbital capture is that the velocity needs to be just right and capture's are likely to be significantly elongated orbits, which, maybe, over time, perhaps with a 3rd asteroid, could even out to slightly more circular. This is very improbable, but it might be the most likely way to form a double planet.

At this time, as an amature, I must conclude that having a ring-o-worlds orbiting a star is, indeed, stable. But just barely. A rogue planet would likely throw this off. But it appears to work. Run with it.

• I was not expecting a "possible" answer to this question, but it pleases me that this is the consensus instead of the "no, and here's why" answer I was expecting Aug 1, 2018 at 13:46

This would not naturally work the way that you describe.

Saturn has rings because the ice and rocks that make it orbit the mass of the planet.
Without that mass, say if Saturn were to fall into a plot hole, the rings would quickly stop being rings and just become a cloud, which would disperse as their momentum no longer had anything holding it in place.

If you were to replace Saturn with a black hole with the mass of Saturn, then the rings would carry on as if nothing had happened.

• But there's no mass and radius where the ring of planetoids would not collapse or disperse, instead keeping themselves perpetually ringed through their own gravity? Jul 31, 2018 at 20:16
• @BlakeSteel: Without the big planet in the center, the motion of the particles making up the ring is chaotic. Gravitationally bound systems are chaotic unless one or two of the components are so much heavier than the others that they absolutely dominate. Jul 31, 2018 at 20:23
• Do you have sources on this I could read up on? Jul 31, 2018 at 20:25
• The way I understand it, a system can orbit its own mass, but I think the overall mass has to be pretty big. For instance, the asteroid belt is probably the remnants of a planet that broke apart. It would have started out as a big dense cloud, but without something to keep it together over a lot of time the suns gravity caused it to spread out in its orbit, creating a belt. Jul 31, 2018 at 20:34
• This might be useful too: youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6Kc1mvsdo Jul 31, 2018 at 20:42

A Neutron star was enough for Larry Niven — from Wikipedia - The Integral Trees is a 1984 science fiction novel by Larry Niven (first published as a serial in Analog in 1983). Like much of Niven's work, the story is heavily influenced by the setting: a gas torus, a ring of air around a neutron star. A sequel, The Smoke Ring, was published in 1987. — If it worked for Niven ...

There's already a fictional torus world, created by a fictional post-singularity entity.

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I recommend reading the Planetology section of the page. It discusses just how weird gravity, climate, and tectonics in such a world would be.

Some weird traits of the world:

• Shape is maintained by ultrafast rotation.
• Ultrafast rotation causes variable gravity, from 0.7 to 1.1 g depending on location.
• Rotation causes the planet to be very geologically active.
• Variable gravity and geological activity causes incredibly tall mountain ranges and varying cloud heights.
• Rotation causes fast winds and weak heat distrubution, which then causes dramatic temperature changes.

There's also another page from the same website, called a hoopworld.

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While this is more likely the answer you're looking for, the hoopworld does not provide as detailed information as the torus world. The hoopworld has a much larger external radius at 70,000 km, being a fluid ring with a solid crust that does require further stabilization

• It does not seem as though you read the full question, because I specified in the question that I was not asking about a solid planet, but a ring of separate planetoids whose center of mass orbits the star. Aug 13, 2018 at 20:32