# Are there size constraints to Time Bubbles?

I'm creating various artificial Time Bubbles in my universe where time flows faster or slower inside a specified area, typically depicted as a semi-transparent bubble. Before developing any more stories with this feature I need to figure out any hypothetical size constraints.

The bubbles I am after typically do not cause any catastrophic local damage when activated or later deactivated. A little local damage is acceptable. Extinction level events or even city killers are not. Currently, I have only created "small" Time Bubbles on planets, and haven't yet created anything larger than a small hamlet or out in space.

Aside from the varying amounts of energy I assume, I will require (derived from my Unobtainium using applied Phlebotinum), are there any theorized size constraints to having different sized Time Bubbles? If I need to handwave something, I need to have some idea of what it is, right?

I was curious if, at larger/smaller scales, the square-cube law and other parameters would cause the bubble to break down and collapse, OR cause too much catastrophic damage to the surrounding environments. I don't want to accidentally create a black-hole or blast any of my cities with Gamma-rays or accidentally nuke them into smithereens.

Disclaimer: I know that Time Bubbles are hypothetical and that the real answer is "we don't/can't know". I'm looking for answers derived from current theories, both science and science fiction. As I'm not looking for answers in how to create a Time Bubble, I do not see any magic being involved. If there are no current theories about size restrictions, aside from the previously mentioned energy requirements, great! Please do let me know.

• Time Bubbles are indeed hypothetical and you can make your own rules. However, I think you do need to define strict rules on how objects can cross time bubble boundary in and out. Jun 22, 2018 at 18:31
• This is interesting since most "time bubbles" in fiction, like Vernor Vinge's "bobbles" or Larry Niven's "Stasis Box"have hard boundaries which do not permit crossing. Jun 23, 2018 at 0:27
• A really good example of these time bubbles can be seen in Brandon Sandersons second Mistborn trilogy, the Wax & Wayne series. In that certain people can create these bubbles. Sanderson is well known for applying plenty of physics to his magic systems like this one here. And while you don't see the exact science behind how these people are making the bubbles, you do see the effects. One example is seeing what happened when you place a bubble on a moving object. More here --> coppermind.net/wiki/Cadmium Jun 25, 2018 at 21:14
• This is opinion based to the point that any answer is valid! Jun 26, 2018 at 9:32

If anything, larger bubbles may cause less problems, because your temporal gradient can be less steep (much like how you would be torn apart by tidal forces near the event horizon of a small blackhole, but can pass through the event horizon of a supermassive blackhole quite intact.)

Besides the time gradient, the major concern I think would be the redshift/blueshift of light that is crossing the bubble. In particular, light traveling from the "fast" side into the "slow" side will see a blueshift equal to the relative speeds; if the differential is great, visible spectrum light can be bumped up to dangerous levels (x and gamma rays.) This could result in burns, radiation poisoning, increased rates of cancer, etc, for those in the vicinity. While size of the bubble doesn't qualitatively impact this effect, a larger bubble will be a larger source of damaging radiation.

• This same effect could also prevent humans from seeing objects normally in a different "time frame", even if they remained physically safe. People inside the bubble could only see objects reflecting particular wavelengths of high-energy light; visible light would be shifted into infared or radio waves. Jun 26, 2018 at 6:34
• @IndigoFenix Yes, absolutely. Conversely, from the "slow" side, you might be able to see the thermal infrared of the other side. It'd definitely be pretty trippy!
– Gene
Jun 26, 2018 at 15:42

It would depend greatly on whatever is generating said Time Bubble.

Say we had a machine which had to contain the time bubble inside of its operating radius. Wires running between the pylons containing/generating the bubble would cause synchronization issues, because timing data is still restricted by the speed of light (and sending your timing data through the bubble you're creating can only result in hardware-debugging-related headaches and causality issues). If the pylons are standalone, they would all need their own energy source now, and have to coordinate via other speed-of-light-constrained methods, like satellite uplinks. And in both cases, the pylons would be targets for abuse, whether by the enemy or by bored teenagers. And, of course, these pylons can only operate at either certain key points along the bubble (say every 10 or 36 degrees), or at certain distances from each other (say between 150 to 300 feet), lest the bubble become unstable and collapse.

Basically what it boils down to is this: you must construct additional pylons.

• Based on the original question, I'd be tempted to assume that your 'generated from the inside' paragraph is the way to go. In any case, that is the most appropriate use of "you must construct additional pylons" I have seen in a long time, nice! Welcome to Worldbuilding! Jun 28, 2018 at 22:44

The first implication that comes to my mind is that objects and light that goes into a time bubble will pop out the other side very quickly because they traversed the inside of the bubble quickly. This could allow FTL movement.

Make a time bubble 20 meters wide and with time accelerated 2x. Throw a baseball at the time bubble going 10 m/s. Ordinarily the baseball would take two seconds to traverse the space occupied by the time bubble. But looking from the outside, we see the baseball exit the time bubble only one second after it went in.

So if you've got a time bubble with a 100000x time acelleration, then an object that travels through the bubble will seem to appear on the far side at the same moment it entered the near side.

Imagine you walk into a room with a time bubble between you and a lamp. It's a smallish time bubble so it doesn't obscure the whole lamp from you. When you flick the light-switch on the wall, the photons that travel through the time bubble on their way to you will arrive sooner than the other photons, which is pretty remarkable if you're a physicist.

So if you make a huge time bubble, then it can be used to transfer things, light and information from one side to the other at what appears from the outside to be faster than the speed of light.

• Well yes, if allow unrestricted movement in and out, "naked" time bubbles will present even greater physical problems than "naked singularities". Jun 22, 2018 at 18:55
• this appears to be more a characteristic of different sized bubbles, rather than something that would cause the range of a bubble sizes to be constrained in some way. Unless it is also causing your baseball to leave the other side of the bubble at hypervelocities, which would cause excessive nearby damage. I don't think your answer implied that though. Jun 22, 2018 at 19:14
• @Alexander So ' "naked" time bubbles will present even greater physical problems than "naked singularities".' How wonderful! Should make 'em still sit up and think. Jun 26, 2018 at 9:02
• I suspect the universe being what it is at defeating attempts go around the lightspeed barrier, there will be a time-delay for signals entering or departing the time-bubble.Therefore, no transfers of light or information one side to the other. Jun 26, 2018 at 9:06

Where time flows faster or slower inside a specified area, typically depicted as a semi-transparent bubble

You have a problem there: conservation of energy.

Say that you have a 2X accelerated bubble with a bulb inside pumping out 100 W of infrared radiation with a wavelength of 700 nanometers. 100 W means it gives off 100 J of energy per second local time frame.

When that energy reaches the skin of the bubble, it moves twice as fast, which means you have exactly twice as many waves in the same space; so the bulb, seen from outside the bubble, is emitting 200 W of ultraviolet energy.

A flashbulb in a 20X bubble would hit anything outside with the force of a hard gamma battle laser. This is a plot point in one of Niven's The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton stories.

For the same reason (time differential), heat exchange might be difficult or even impossible (I'd have to think about that), or it might be a problem - either the inside of a time bubble becomes stifling hot, or it grow wondrous cold because heat flows outside twice as fast.

It would stand to reason that a time bubble requires, to be created (or kept existing), at least as much extra energy as it gives out. So, the larger the bubble and the more energetic its contents, the more energy it requires and/or the less it can last. When the "extra juice" is exhausted the time differential drops back to normal.

On the other hand, this would mean that a slower-than-normal bubble would supply energy. When enough energy (light, heat, etc.) is sunk in the bubble, the bubble collapses - this would allow harvesting low-density energy (e.g. heat) to a point where the laws of thermodynamics themselves are apparently challenged; that's why I suspect that heat transfer is going to be difficult. Preventing it from happening looks like it would be Nature's easiest and sneakiest way of keeping things balanced.