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Imagine a planet with extremely low density, and thus low gravity and an equivalently thin atmosphere, but a very active and strong magnetosphere that prevents solar radiation from destroying complex molecules or stripping the remaining atmosphere away. Imagine that, as much as the previous statements allow, it's earth-like - readily available organic-molecule building blocks, in the star's habitable zone, and liquid water. Now imagine that the very basics of life drop on this planet from a comet or something - basic self-replicating molecules, no more. Given these conditions, could life somehow extend itself to grow above the upper reaches of the planet's atmosphere (i.e. plantlike structures with "stems" or "trunks" outside the atmosphere, and more mobile life living in the "branches"), and what would it look like?

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  • $\begingroup$ I don't understand what you mean by low density = low gravity (does Saturn have low gravity?) and then it's somehow Earth-like. Could you perhaps provide numbers instead of vague hints? What about a planet that doesn't have an atmosphere but is covered by a sheet of ice? Otherwise, I'm afraid you are just asking if a space elevator could grow and even develop naturally which is practically impossible $\endgroup$ – Raditz_35 Apr 30 '18 at 16:53
  • $\begingroup$ In a low gravity world, atmosphere will be more spread out that on Earth (Barometric formula). Plants (or any other structures) will always have a much harder time climbing out of the atmosphere than tiny gas molecules. $\endgroup$ – Alexander Apr 30 '18 at 16:57
  • $\begingroup$ For low density = low gravity, I was imagining a planet that's slightly smaller than Earth, but with much less mass, providing lower gravity. I don't really have hard numbers for this, leaving it open for someone to select what they need. As for "Earth-like," I meant in terms of it being a planet as I stated, and not a gas giant like Saturn. $\endgroup$ – Jacob Apr 30 '18 at 17:00
  • $\begingroup$ Life is about rearranging chemicals into a copy of itself. There are no chemicals above the atmosphere. The only thing plants can get there is exposure to the sun, but they will still need roots in the ground. But they can get their sun within the atmosphere, without the need to protect the plant from cold and dry space. The only reason I see to grow out of atmosphere is avoiding the shade from other plants. $\endgroup$ – Bald Bear Apr 30 '18 at 17:01
  • $\begingroup$ I don't see any reason why "smaller and less-dense than Earth" and "strong magnetosphere" would be incompatible. Maybe this planet is "younger" in the galactic scheme and has a more active core, maybe the core is iron-rich but the crust is almost devoid of heavy metals...I'm fairly sure it's possible. $\endgroup$ – Jacob Apr 30 '18 at 17:19
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I suspect a plant can't grow anywhere near that tall. Mainly because of a combination of these 2 factors:

  1. The trunk or stem at the base of the plant has to be composed of something strong enough to support the weight of the rest of the plant above it.
  2. Atmospheres are really quite deep. Earth's atmosphere is 480 km thick.

The 84m tall Giant Sequoia called General Sherman is estimated to weigh 2100 tonnes. If it grew to 480km tall the wood at the base of the trunk would have to support 2100 tonnes x 5714 = 11,999,400 tonnes. (This assumes no branches other than the ones General Sherman has now).

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    $\begingroup$ Worse making the atmosphere less dense and thus deeper just makes the problem harder. $\endgroup$ – John Apr 30 '18 at 17:53
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Floaters.

1: Lots of atmosphere (thick atmosphere) 2: Atmosphere is a heavy gas (e.g. CO2, NO2, H2O)

It would be easy to be buoyant in such an atmosphere regardless of gravity. If you had this in a low gravity scenario buoyancy does not change but you would not be crushed at ground level under the weight of the thick atmosphere above you.

Now let us take a page from the book of holopelagic seaweeds. - seaweed which is never rooted in the ground but which drifts freely with ocean currents.

holopelagic sargassum

http://arlohemphill.com/2011/08/26/change-is-in-the-air-seaweed-seaweed-everywhere/

In the North Atlantic Ocean, Sargassum algae has evolved a completely pelagic existence, free-floating on ocean currents of the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean and the Sargasso Sea. Mariners have documented large drifting islands of this seaweed for hundreds of years, mistakenly believing the appearance of the plant to be a sign that land was nearby. Their false assumption was that the seaweed had been torn from reefs and shoals during heavy storms. With other species of Sargassum, found throughout the oceans of the world, the seaweed indeed is usually affixed to rocks, reef and such. But two Atlantic species have made the evolutionary leap to become “holopelagic”, meaning they permanently live and reproduce adrift on the sea.

Your high atmosphere plants live there. They have built in floats like the sargassum, but "air" floats like balloon organs. They drift around in the top layers of the atmosphere, forming great cloudlike mats which your other organisms can inhabit. Perhaps these plants can change altitude some, ascending in the day and descending at night like jellyfish. The adults obtain all they need from the air, reproducing vegetatively. Seeds fall to earth below and young plants take off when they grow big enough to become buoyant.


Your question was about plants that are outside the atmosphere - presumably held there by some towerlike trunk below. My problem in thinking about that - the atmosphere decreases gradually. It is not like the ocean where there is a surface. You have gas in decreasing quantities for a long way up. A floating creature or any balloon must have atmosphere to float in and it will cease to ascend at a given height. Which might be very high.

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Basically what I'm getting from the others answers is that its not possible, and I tend to agree. I don't think a tree could support it own weight that tall.

However if we attack this problem from another angle...

Your planet has these truly massive tall trees, just bumping up against the boundary of impossible. To get them even farther up high, they are on plateaus that are very high above sea level. Or maybe they're even really tall mountains. High rainfall would be required, but lets say your planet has that in those areas.

Then, something happens to the planet where it's losing it atmosphere, so that brings the level down. What that is I admit I don't know, but maybe someone else can help you out with that part.

Between all these things together that might bring you to just about the height you want. I would imagine, maybe, the part of the tree that sticks out of the atmosphere might die out, but everything that leads up to it could still be alive.

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  • $\begingroup$ You'd have to carefully construct your planet so that it was hot enough at high altitude for precipitation to fall as rain not as snow (even tropical mountains like Kilimanjaro have snow on their peaks), yet at the same time not so hot at sea level that it is uninhabitable. $\endgroup$ – DrBob May 2 '18 at 8:53
  • $\begingroup$ @DrBob. Good call, doc! $\endgroup$ – Len May 2 '18 at 15:50

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