Earlier this year, a second alien saucer came to Earth and stopped 1 kilometer above the central African nation of Wakanda. The Wakandans are fine with this and refuse to let anyone investigate or do anything about it, so it appears it'll be there for a while (at least 20 years).

However, Wakanda is heavily rainforested, as is the norm for central Africa. What effects will this alien saucer have on the rainforest ecosystem below? Specifically, how should we expect the ecosystem to evolve over the 20 years it stays above the surface?

Just like the first one, the alien saucer emits no visible light but is room-temperature (~25 degrees C) at all times and thus emits a small amount of IR. It has no obvious method of propulsion but nonetheless manages to remain fixed to the Earth's rotation and is completely immobile. Despite its stability, it also has a negligible mass which means that the gravity below is completely normal. This may be due to the fact that the disk is very thin, maxing out at perhaps 10s of meters thickness in the center.


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From the previous question, this disk is also extremely thin.

Thickness: the disk is very thin. Its thickness when compared with its altitude and diameter is negligible.

What you're asking, basically, is what would happen if we opened a giant, opaque sheet 1km high above the rain forest? I see two issues: sunlight and weather.

How Much Of The Sky Will It Cover?

A 40km diameter disk 1km up means it will cover about 174° of the sky at the center, $atan2(20,1) \times 2$ or just about all of it. Given the average 12 hours of Sun, that means the surface at the center will get just 20 minutes of direct sunlight a day. And at a high angle.

As we move closer to the edge, things only get slightly better. At 10 km from the edge, it covers 172° or $atan2(10,1) + atan2(30,1)$. At 5km it's 167° or about 50 minutes of daylight. 1km from the edge it covers 133° of the sky, 3 hours of daylight. At the very edge, half the sky is still covered giving only 6 hours of daylight. Even forest not directly under will still be partially shaded from the Sun for kilometers around.

Weather Patterns and Rainfall

Having what amounts to a 40km diameter sheet 1km up will play holy heck with the weather patterns and rainfall. The surface will be cut off from medium and high level clouds, and 1km will cut across many low level rain clouds which tend to be vertical. The ship itself, acting as a sheet, will tend to hold in moisture.

I'm not a meteorologist and cannot predict the exact effects, but its going to mess up the weather.

A Whole Lotta Everything's Gonna Die

Obviously this doesn't bode well for the forest under or even near this object. A tropical rain forest consists of four major layers each which get different levels of sunlight. But even the relatively dark forest floor gets some light. And they all rely on the nutrients provided by the upper canopy. With severely reduced sunlight, this carefully balanced ecosystem which relies on a constant supply of sunlight to power it rapidly breaks down.

Temperate forests must undergo seasonal change and regular reductions in sunlight for the winter, so their flora and fauna store a lot of energy for the winter. Tropical rain forests don't have to deal with winter. In their highly competitive environment, all energy is used to compete with each other. With their energy source from sunlight cut off, they'll have little reserves to fall back on. Plants will rapidly wither and die cutting off the food supply to most fauna who will then also starve and die (or migrate if they can).

The result will be rapidly growing dead spot in the forest under the ship that will eventually kill most of the forest over 40km around. Even plants used to growing on the forest floor in low light will not survive without the nutrients and protection provided by the rest of the forest.

Unlike temperate forests, rain forests have poor soil. Most of their energy and nutrients are locked up in their biomass. Anything that dies is rapidly recycled by scavengers. This poor soil means once the forest is gone, little will grow back. The long term result is similar to what happens after we clear cut a rain forest: desertification.


The forest under and near the ship dies and all the animals die or leave. Insect and microbial scavengers will thrive for a time, but eventually run out of things to scavenge for food and die. Evolution cannot account for such a rapid change in the environment.

What will be left is a dark, barren landscape.

The price Wakanda will have to pay is losing over 1250 km2 of rain forest and damaging another 1000 km2. This is larger than many island nations, roughly the size of Luxembourg. While the size of Wakanda is not known, it is not a large nation, and this could represent a very large chunk of their land area.

  • $\begingroup$ Correct- it is also very thin, thanks for catching that! I've edited my question to include it. $\endgroup$
    – Dubukay
    Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 4:25
  • $\begingroup$ Very nice answer! I'd like to add, the only way to not have everything die would be if the saucer were semi-transparent or had very bright lights on the bottom, as they often seem to. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 7:54
  • $\begingroup$ Note: rainforests may have poor soil, but having a whole echosystem collapsing on it it will rapidly make a very rich topsoil (unless washed away somehow). Note that such a large "dark spot" is bound to be colder than surrounding areas, so I would expect steady currents of hot/humid air to flow right under the disc, cool down and descend, raining. Net effect could be to have a semi-permanent cooler and moistly grass circle (think Ireland) if adequate grass seeds can be found in rainforest or imported by Wakandans. $\endgroup$
    – ZioByte
    Commented Jan 21, 2018 at 10:46

The entire region will become a lake, probably with a substantial river flowing downhill from it to the ocean.

This is because rainforests are wet. The Congo Basin, in central Africa near where the fictional county might be placed, gets 50-150 mm of rainfall per month. That means the saucer will have a near-constant rainstorm over at least part of it and will waterfall off water on all sides. With the death of all life beneath it due to the constant darkness and flooding, the water will slowly wash the region away downstream, creating an extremely lively river region. The center of the dead spot will erode last, so for a while there will be a circular lake with an island in the middle. Birds may be interested in the disk, and may colonize the edges eventually, in places the water is less frequent. Probably parrots and Eagles, with the parrots ducking under the waterfall and escaping the predatory birds when needed. Mud-based nest builders would colonize the underside of the edge if there's a mountain near by-- they don't normally fly up very high and they're not as curious as parrots.

Depending on wind patterns, aeolian soil deposition may lead to plant growth on the center of the disk assuming it rains little enough there. The plant growth will bind the soil, allowing more deposition and thus starting off the succession process. At the end of 20 years you will probably have a tiny bit of grass up there. Eventually, you'd end up with a forest, of course, but that would take many hundreds of years.

All of this, of course, is ignoring human interactions, which would make everything very different. Probably somebody (Magneto?) is going to colonize the top of the saucer and create a floating island country resulting in tensions between them and the local government. Human effort could drastically change the hydrological effects of the saucer, with various results.


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