Timeline for Can a Horde be used to classify a sociopolitical group?
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| Jun 27, 2017 at 21:29 | vote | accept | ggiaquin16 | ||
| Jun 27, 2017 at 21:08 | answer | added | r_alex_hall | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jun 26, 2017 at 16:10 | comment | added | ggiaquin16 | @detrivore this is very true and is true according to the map I found of the territories. A Horde, depending on the way you read it, could very well be a regional entity as well or it could just be a large wandering mass of xxxx. For my purposes, I want to use a Horde as a regional power which puts that on par with tribes and khanates and still leaves me stuck for what I could consider the national powers. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 16:23 | comment | added | detrivore | Wasn't Genghis Khan of Khans? That would mean that khanates are more regional powers. | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 23:09 | history | edited | ggiaquin16 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 21, 2017 at 22:23 | comment | added | AlexP | You may want to reverse the order between Horde and Khanate -- historically a Khanate was (usually) the larger entity. But then, of course, everybody and his neighbour begans calling themselves Khans... | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 22:16 | comment | added | ggiaquin16 | @AlexP also to keep in mind, I am not looking to mimic the exact structure of a real historical state but rather the validity that my structure is believable. Clans can make up a tribe under the definition that a clan generally represents a family and a tribe made up of multiple families. Khanate seems to be the best term to fill in the regional Gap before going to the level of Horde / Empire. Also thanks for that link! I do see they reference tribes in that page which also makes me feel better in my usage of the term. | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 22:06 | comment | added | AlexP | Wikipedia has an article on horde as a Turkic / Mongol organisation. In the Eurasian steppe it is basically the equivalent of an American Indian extended tribe, such as the Apaches or the Cheyenne. | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 22:03 | comment | added | ggiaquin16 | @AlexP so it seems you would suggest I study the structure of the Mongol Empire? How would you break down the term Horde then into sub categories? Or would you not even use the term horde but rather Empire? | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 22:01 | history | edited | ggiaquin16 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 21, 2017 at 22:00 | comment | added | AlexP | "Horde" is a Turkic / Mongol word used for some historical Turkic / Mongol political structures. (And in the names of some modern cities, such as Kyzyl Orda in Kazakhstan.) "Tribe" is a very ill-defined word; Roman tribes, Hebrew tribes and American Indian tribes are very very different entities. "Clans" and "septs" are highly specific to certain particular cultures. Your hierarchy may exist in a real historical state only by accident. | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 21:58 | comment | added | ggiaquin16 | @Raditz_35 YES! That actually is exactly what I am looking for. However, a Khanate doesn't seem to fit the theme in terms of lingo. Ironically enough though, Khanate actually could be still used as it would play well into my naming scheme of individuals that eventually take over. The term khanate could be given justification through that. Also found the word Domain but that doesn't have the same feel as khanate. | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 21:53 | comment | added | Raditz_35 | Are you maybe looking for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate ? The Mongols became a thing once they united multiple regional groups. But I'm no historian. This might get a great answer in a history forum | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 21:50 | comment | added | ggiaquin16 | @Raditz_35 yes thanks for that! I did see a few articles about the Golden Horde, so it does appear to be historically okay (though this was the only time I found where a Horde was used as a central location). Would it be okay then to assert that I can have multiple regional groups make up a Horde? I am also still falling short on an entity between a tribe (city) and a more regional thing (such as a state) then Horde (or nation). There doesn't seem to be a state term for a group of tribes. | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 21:41 | comment | added | Raditz_35 | I think you know that, but just to be sure: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde read the section "name" | |
| Jun 21, 2017 at 21:33 | history | asked | ggiaquin16 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |