Timeline for Is there a more balanced way to make a slightly better female rights setting but also make it authentically medieval?
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| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:33 | comment | added | AlexP | @Wolfensniper: *"Letting women inherit the Hereditary title": This did happen in some places and at some times, and in fact it was not all that uncommon. In English such heiresses were called "peeresses in their own right", or "suo jure" in Medieval Latin. (In England, for example, whether a specific title could be inherited by a daughter in her own right depended on how the title was created; daughters could by default inherit it, unless the title was explicitly created by letters patent limiting the inheritance to "heirs male of the body of <name of first holder>".) | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:28 | comment | added | AlexP | @PipperChip: What on earth are you speaking about? I said that medieval western Europe was not-egalitarian in the extreme, with a legally enforced and hereditary difference between serfs, free people, nobles, and clerics, and you speak about the difference between men and women. Yes, there was some difference between noble men and noble women. It was absolutely tiny compared to the difference between a noble person and a serf. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:26 | comment | added | Wolfensniper | @AlexP thanks! I'll take more research on this topic then. Currently it looks like I'm more leaning to letting women inherit the Hereditary title from their male seniors and become feudal lord of the fiefdom as same as the male lords. Simply put they'll just be the female version of real life knighthood that shares anything a male Lord or Ser would have but a female wouldn't. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:23 | comment | added | PipperChip | @AlexP I don't think so, and I provided plenty of counter examples for you to investigate. Yes, there were gender roles and individuals' opportunities depended on this... But it's not the worst humanity has ever done. It's the superlative I object strongly to. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:18 | comment | added | AlexP | @PipperChip: I never even said anything about women's rights... Are you making the same regrettable confusion as the OP between "egalitarian society" and "equality between the sexes"? | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:16 | comment | added | PipperChip | @AlexP I downvoted because you are dealing with superlatives and made a demonstrably untrue statement . Medieval Europe is not the worst humanity can or has done in regards to women's rights. In fact, migration era (a subset of medieval) Scandinavia seems to have done pretty well. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:14 | comment | added | AlexP | @Wolfensniper: ... In English there is no way to express it, but in German titles of nobility it's the difference between <title> von <placename> (random noble, may or may not live there), <title> zu <placename> (a noble who actually owns <placename>), and <title> von und zu <placename> (a noble who originates from <placename> and still owns it). | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:11 | comment | added | AlexP | @Wolfensniper: I think that you may be confusing the inheritance of the title with the inheritance of the land. They are not the same thing, and never were. Women could and routinely did inherit the land, with full ownership and attendant obligations. Whether they could also inherit the title or only transmit it to their children varied from country to country. (And there was never such thing as the "duchess of the land". One could be a duchess, and one could own land, but those were distinct and not necessarily related. As a modern example, the Duchess of Sussex does not own Sussex.) | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:04 | comment | added | AlexP | @PipperChip: The history of ancient Rome is long. Saying that Roman women " were expected to not leave their homes" is like saying that married American women have no independent legal existence. Both sentences are true for a certain period of the history of ancient Roman and the USA, and both are blatantly false for what most people think of when they hear "ancient Rome" or "USA". | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:04 | comment | added | Wolfensniper | My bad, I'll change such words then | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:02 | comment | added | AlexP | @Wolfensniper: "Egalitarian" does not mean "equality between the sexes". A society can have perfect equality between the sexes and still be extremely not egalitarian. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 17:01 | comment | added | Wolfensniper | 5) This will be something i do need to take more research. My current impressions on this topic is how male friars(specifically abbots) have more political and financial influence on different matters when abbess almost have no right to discuss such matter. I'm also having an impression that abbots is able to impose rules and decisions on subordinate convents but not vice versa. But overall this is just an example that this society still has bias and limitations to female and not all-out egalitarian. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 16:50 | comment | added | PipperChip | "medieval society was as far from egalitarian as humans can make it." Nope, and I point you to Athens, Rome, certain periods of Japanese history where women were expected to not leave their homes, certain modern extremist Islamic sects (even though mainstream Islam seems to do well with this...). | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 16:50 | comment | added | Wolfensniper | 3) Yes female guild did exist, I'm just making these further for wider range i.e. female carpenter guild across cities as a usual sight 4) I'm referring to a well trained, tight formation formed by polearms against lossly trained opponents, the female soldiers forming the spear/pike wall received similar training that a professional male soldier would get during late medieval, when mercenaries and professional soldiers are more common on battlefield. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 16:44 | comment | added | Wolfensniper | Thanks! I may reply your points one by one to avoid misunderstandings 1) The magic is not the priority setting and is only a potential explanation for the alternative history 2) from my current research I've found women married someone with her family land or become a regent while male offspring is absent or too young, but not becoming the first line heir nor a lord/duchess of her fief, which is different from the “female knights” in my settings who has the same authority to their lands like male feudal knights, they may also command knight banners as an appointed marshal. | |
| Jun 9, 2022 at 16:35 | history | edited | AlexP | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
No snark
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| Jun 9, 2022 at 16:29 | history | answered | AlexP | CC BY-SA 4.0 |