NoteNotes: the electricity attack doesn't have to contain millions of volts, just enough to incapacitate someoneSimeone. It is necessary to take into account the aforementioned laser. If the text is strange, it's because I had taken a screenshot of the comments, but then they told me to copy and paste, so I did it.
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Everyone knows that dragons tend to breathe fire in stories, but some are differentiated containing dragons that breath lightning and it is the latter that interest me at the moment. I researched whether this breath would be biologically possible and I found this post(Plausibility Check: Is it possible to make a lightning dragon plausible?), in it there is a comment saying about a type of chemical laser (COIL) (gaseous chlorine, molecular iodine, and a liquid solution of bleach and lye) that would be released by the eyes to ionize the air through which electrical current would be conducted for the attack. Until then I thought it was scientifically possible to have an animal that releases rays (in a hypothesis where they were created by gods instead of having evolved), my doubts were about what this attack would be like (sound, color, appearance, voltage, etc. ), so I made my post(Biological Electrolaser). It had an answer from Rafael and it had the following comments from Adrian:
[Umm... "The current will flow from the highly charged dragon" since the dragon started electrically neutral and ended "highly charged", where did the opposite charge go and how come it stayed there instead of neutralizing back the charged dragon? If the target remains charged after the hit, then the target is electrically insulated - what is pushing the electricity to flow from the dragon to the target? (hint: the capacitance of a human body is about 100pF. At 3MV, the stored energy is 450J - about the energy used by a single defibrillator shot - not enough to cause burns) –
Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, the real point of my answer is to explain what the lightning would look like. But if you insist, I'd say the dragon is capable of generating a very high static charge (think van de graaf generator). Since the dragon is surrounded by air, an insulator, the charge cannot easily escape off the dragon. Once a path of ionized air connects the dragon to the victim, the charge flows and balances the voltage. As I said in my answer, nothing will flow once equilibrium is reached; hence a one time shot. –
Rafael yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, And 450 MV is plenty to cause burns! I'm not talking about frying the person from the inside, but the electrical arcs around him certainly will cause burns. –
Rafael yesterday
"think van de graaf generator... And 450 MV is plenty" So, you are keeping the charge separated on different parts of the dragon, all 450MV of it. What insulator your dragon is made up of? Breakdown voltage of dry air is 3MV/m, to keep those 450MV from discharging through air you'll need 150m distance between charge storage - ignoring corona discharges. Pressurized gas VdG generators are only capable of 25MV.. Largest open air VdG - 2MV max. – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
Besides, if you keep the opposite charge still on the dragon, the one that you want to dump on the target will be in small enough quantity: the opposite charge will want to keep most of it close to it. Methinks you'd need a refresher on circuits and capacitance. – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, probably. I have no formal training in electrical engineering. However, my main concern was with the properties of the lightning as opposed to an efficient system for the dragon to produce lightning bolts. (Correction: I meant 450J not 450MV) – Rafael yesterday
"However, my main concern was with the properties of the lightning as opposed to an efficient system for the dragon to produce lightning bolts." then, for goodness sake, do not try to explain how the lightning works! Or learn about how it does before explaining it, otherwise at least you'll create a cringe feeling in those who read your explanation. For instance: "450J is plenty to cause burns" - 450J will raise the temperature of 1 teaspoon of water (4.92g) by 22C; and humans are 70% water – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, and exposure to water causes 3rd degree burns at 55ºC. Convenient eh? And a basic understanding of the system is required in order to know what it will look like. – Rafael yesterday
sigh... fine Rafael, if you want to make a fool of yourself, I'll let you be. For 35+ years, never got in an ICU on the account of having my morning espresso at around 65-70C. If you want to believe that one teaspoon of water at 55C will cause white, black, deep red or charred skin, who am I to stop you? – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday]
Everyone knows that dragons tend to breathe fire in stories, but some are differentiated containing dragons that breath lightning and it is the latter that interest me at the moment. I researched whether this breath would be biologically possible and I found this post(Plausibility Check: Is it possible to make a lightning dragon plausible?), in it there is a comment saying about a type of chemical laser (COIL) (gaseous chlorine, molecular iodine, and a liquid solution of bleach and lye) that would be released by the eyes to ionize the air through which electrical current would be conducted for the attack. Until then I thought it was scientifically possible to have an animal that releases rays (in a hypothesis where they were created by gods instead of having evolved), my doubts were about what this attack would be like (sound, color, appearance, voltage, etc. ), so I made my post(Biological Electrolaser). It had an answer from Rafael and it had the following comments from Adrian:
Everyone knows that dragons tend to breathe fire in stories, but some are differentiated containing dragons that breath lightning and it is the latter that interest me at the moment. I researched whether this breath would be biologically possible and I found this post(Plausibility Check: Is it possible to make a lightning dragon plausible?), in it there is a comment saying about a type of chemical laser (COIL) (gaseous chlorine, molecular iodine, and a liquid solution of bleach and lye) that would be released by the eyes to ionize the air through which electrical current would be conducted for the attack. Until then I thought it was scientifically possible to have an animal that releases rays (in a hypothesis where they were created by gods instead of having evolved), my doubts were about what this attack would be like (sound, color, appearance, voltage, etc. ), so I made my post(Biological Electrolaser). It had an answer from Rafael and it had the following comments from Adrian:
[Umm... "The current will flow from the highly charged dragon" since the dragon started electrically neutral and ended "highly charged", where did the opposite charge go and how come it stayed there instead of neutralizing back the charged dragon? If the target remains charged after the hit, then the target is electrically insulated - what is pushing the electricity to flow from the dragon to the target? (hint: the capacitance of a human body is about 100pF. At 3MV, the stored energy is 450J - about the energy used by a single defibrillator shot - not enough to cause burns) – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, the real point of my answer is to explain what the lightning would look like. But if you insist, I'd say the dragon is capable of generating a very high static charge (think van de graaf generator). Since the dragon is surrounded by air, an insulator, the charge cannot easily escape off the dragon. Once a path of ionized air connects the dragon to the victim, the charge flows and balances the voltage. As I said in my answer, nothing will flow once equilibrium is reached; hence a one time shot. – Rafael yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, And 450 MV is plenty to cause burns! I'm not talking about frying the person from the inside, but the electrical arcs around him certainly will cause burns. – Rafael yesterday
"think van de graaf generator... And 450 MV is plenty" So, you are keeping the charge separated on different parts of the dragon, all 450MV of it. What insulator your dragon is made up of? Breakdown voltage of dry air is 3MV/m, to keep those 450MV from discharging through air you'll need 150m distance between charge storage - ignoring corona discharges. Pressurized gas VdG generators are only capable of 25MV.. Largest open air VdG - 2MV max. – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
Besides, if you keep the opposite charge still on the dragon, the one that you want to dump on the target will be in small enough quantity: the opposite charge will want to keep most of it close to it. Methinks you'd need a refresher on circuits and capacitance. – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, probably. I have no formal training in electrical engineering. However, my main concern was with the properties of the lightning as opposed to an efficient system for the dragon to produce lightning bolts. (Correction: I meant 450J not 450MV) – Rafael yesterday
"However, my main concern was with the properties of the lightning as opposed to an efficient system for the dragon to produce lightning bolts." then, for goodness sake, do not try to explain how the lightning works! Or learn about how it does before explaining it, otherwise at least you'll create a cringe feeling in those who read your explanation. For instance: "450J is plenty to cause burns" - 450J will raise the temperature of 1 teaspoon of water (4.92g) by 22C; and humans are 70% water – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday
@AdrianColomitchi, and exposure to water causes 3rd degree burns at 55ºC. Convenient eh? And a basic understanding of the system is required in order to know what it will look like. – Rafael yesterday
sigh... fine Rafael, if you want to make a fool of yourself, I'll let you be. For 35+ years, never got in an ICU on the account of having my morning espresso at around 65-70C. If you want to believe that one teaspoon of water at 55C will cause white, black, deep red or charred skin, who am I to stop you? – Adrian Colomitchi yesterday]
Everyone knows that dragons tend to breathe fire in stories, but some are differentiated containing dragons that breath lightning and it is the latter that interest me at the moment. I researched whether this breath would be biologically possible and I found this post(Plausibility Check: Is it possible to make a lightning dragon plausible?), in it there is a comment saying about a type of chemical laser (COIL) (gaseous chlorine, molecular iodine, and a liquid solution of bleach and lye) that would be released by the eyes to ionize the air through which electrical current would be conducted for the attack. Until then I thought it was scientifically possible to have an animal that releases rays (in a hypothesis where they were created by gods instead of having evolved), my doubts were about what this attack would be like (sound, color, appearance, voltage, etc. ), so I made my post(Biological Electrolaser). It had an answer from Rafael and it had the following comments from Adrian:
This left me in doubt again and here's my question: emission of electricity from a flying living being would it really be possible via laser and if so, how?
Note: the electricity attack doesn't have to contain millions of volts, just enough to incapacitate someone.
Everyone knows that dragons tend to breathe fire in stories, but some are differentiated containing dragons that breath lightning and it is the latter that interest me at the moment. I researched whether this breath would be biologically possible and I found this post(Plausibility Check: Is it possible to make a lightning dragon plausible?), in it there is a comment saying about a type of chemical laser (COIL) (gaseous chlorine, molecular iodine, and a liquid solution of bleach and lye) that would be released by the eyes to ionize the air through which electrical current would be conducted for the attack. Until then I thought it was scientifically possible to have an animal that releases rays (in a hypothesis where they were created by gods instead of having evolved), my doubts were about what this attack would be like (sound, color, appearance, voltage, etc. ), so I made my post(Biological Electrolaser). It had an answer from Rafael and it had the following comments from Adrian:
This left me in doubt again and here's my question: emission of electricity from a flying living being would it really be possible and if so, how?
Everyone knows that dragons tend to breathe fire in stories, but some are differentiated containing dragons that breath lightning and it is the latter that interest me at the moment. I researched whether this breath would be biologically possible and I found this post(Plausibility Check: Is it possible to make a lightning dragon plausible?), in it there is a comment saying about a type of chemical laser (COIL) (gaseous chlorine, molecular iodine, and a liquid solution of bleach and lye) that would be released by the eyes to ionize the air through which electrical current would be conducted for the attack. Until then I thought it was scientifically possible to have an animal that releases rays (in a hypothesis where they were created by gods instead of having evolved), my doubts were about what this attack would be like (sound, color, appearance, voltage, etc. ), so I made my post(Biological Electrolaser). It had an answer from Rafael and it had the following comments from Adrian:
This left me in doubt again and here's my question: emission of electricity from a flying living being would it really be possible via laser and if so, how?
Note: the electricity attack doesn't have to contain millions of volts, just enough to incapacitate someone.