Timeline for Papers, please: Can characters trapped in our reality acquire enough paperwork to be legal?
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| Oct 27, 2018 at 17:39 | comment | added | pojo-guy | I recall a sitcom episode where an Amish man living in San Francisco got started with legally documentation by getting a jay walking ticket, which opened the doors to further documents. In real life, a Chinese pastor went to prison weekly for 11 years for preaching in an undocumented church. When the laws changed, and a church had to have a presence for 10 years to apply for legal status, he was able to show his arrest records and make the church legal. | |
| Oct 27, 2018 at 14:52 | answer | added | arp | timeline score: 0 | |
| Sep 19, 2015 at 20:59 | answer | added | בנימן הגלילי | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jul 13, 2015 at 4:36 | vote | accept | thatgirldm | ||
| Jul 12, 2015 at 9:24 | comment | added | Lie Ryan | @thatgirldm: then essentially the question is equivalent to, will it be possible for a (non-human) animal to get a citizenship? I believe not, the legal framework regarding citizenship in most countries are intended for human only. Only human are subject to these laws. Animals may have registration, but those do not impose the rights and responsibilities of an actual citizenship. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 7:50 | answer | added | JDługosz | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 5:02 | comment | added | thatgirldm | @LieRyan I'm excluding black market channels because that's dodging the question. My question is specifically, Is it possible to acquire papers through the legal channels if you're (possibly non-human and) from another reality. Going through the black market isn't going through the legal channels. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 4:51 | answer | added | Golden Cuy | timeline score: 4 | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 4:27 | comment | added | Lie Ryan | @thatgirldm: forged identity may be obtained illegally, but they can be used in legal contexts, as long as the identity isn't being scrutinized too hard. If you exclude any illegal means to get a legal identity, then I think you can't possibly get a legal identity. Lying to immigration officers is illegal, I believe; pretending that you're amnesiac is not legal either if you're not actually amnesiac. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 4:10 | comment | added | thatgirldm | @LieRyan Nope! Anything forged is by definition illegal. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 3:12 | comment | added | Lie Ryan | Does purchasing forged identity from blackmarkets counts as "legal"? | |
| Jul 11, 2015 at 21:58 | answer | added | thkala | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 11, 2015 at 21:27 | comment | added | thatgirldm | @thkala Possibly! Want to turn that into an answer? | |
| Jul 11, 2015 at 20:33 | comment | added | thkala | How about using a more gradual process? If a person appeared in some so-called third-world country, they might be able to use the relatively higher levels of overall chaos to legally register themselves. The all they'd have to do is find a way to move to another more "advanced" country... | |
| Jul 11, 2015 at 9:42 | answer | added | Sobrique | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jul 11, 2015 at 6:26 | history | edited | thatgirldm | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 11, 2015 at 1:21 | answer | added | Thucydides | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 21:49 | answer | added | jamesqf | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 20:24 | answer | added | Andrew is gone | timeline score: 4 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 17:35 | answer | added | Oldcat | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 16:06 | answer | added | kylieCatt | timeline score: 9 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 15:10 | history | edited | thatgirldm | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2015 at 14:49 | history | edited | thatgirldm | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2015 at 14:44 | comment | added | thatgirldm | @MasonWheeler My point wasn't the nit of "procure" vs "create", it was the assumption that the character in question has any special powers that will allow them to do either. The Celestial Warriors in FY mostly have combat-related powers (Chichiri might've been able to do something, but he's the only one), and Inu Yasha is a half-demon, not a sorcerer. Even if the character comes from a world where magic exists, it's not safe to assume the character themselves has the kind of magic required to do what you suggest (or access to it or any advanced tech once they're in our world). | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 14:38 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @thatgirldm: Note that I said "procure," not "create." There are plenty of other ways to go about it if you have even a small level of magic or technology that's not available to the world you end up stuck in. | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 14:36 | comment | added | thatgirldm | @MasonWheeler I disagree - in the examples I listed, the characters all switch worlds unwillingly/unintentionally. The transportation devices - a magic well for Inu Yasha, a magic book for Fushigi Yuugi - are all outside the characters' control. The characters themselves don't have anywhere near the magic/technology to create fake IDs. | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 14:20 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | I'd just handwave this: anyone with sufficiently powerful magic/technology at their disposal to get into another world almost certainly has sufficiently powerful magic/technology at their disposal to procure high-quality forged identification. | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 11:51 | answer | added | Nayunis | timeline score: 8 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 11:25 | answer | added | Steve Jessop | timeline score: 15 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 11:04 | answer | added | Murphy | timeline score: 14 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 8:43 | answer | added | Kramii | timeline score: -1 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 7:46 | comment | added | nhahtdh | I'm not sure whether the LN goes into details, but Hataruku Maou-sama has several characters comes to modern day Japan from an alternate reality, who successfully register under false names and even have normal jobs. | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 6:23 | answer | added | Henry Taylor | timeline score: 18 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 5:55 | answer | added | o.m. | timeline score: 29 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 5:47 | answer | added | Squidtastik | timeline score: 6 | |
| Jul 10, 2015 at 5:32 | history | asked | thatgirldm | CC BY-SA 3.0 |