Timeline for How would a preemptive crime fighting group prove they stopped a criminal?
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| Oct 20, 2020 at 12:59 | answer | added | N. Bleac | timeline score: 1 | |
| Oct 1, 2020 at 5:28 | comment | added | Erik | @MichaelMortensen that really should be an answer. | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 15:46 | answer | added | ColonelPanic | timeline score: 1 | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 14:14 | answer | added | pbount | timeline score: 3 | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 13:51 | answer | added | Nosajimiki | timeline score: 3 | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 10:47 | answer | added | George Menoutis | timeline score: 0 | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 9:24 | comment | added | Dragongeek | Why arrest people when you can just butterfly away the crimes? Someone decides to mug someone, they trip on a banana peel. Someone decides to commit to a life of crime? An old friend butt-dials them and they have a long talk which changes the wannabe criminal's mind. Etc. | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 7:57 | comment | added | chiggsy | This AI would be the end of progress. Every second it lives the equivalent of thousands of years. How does the government change? What about other countries? The thing to do is nuke this thing at once, which will be unsuccessful, or build your own, which will only work if the AI acquiesces, and now you'd have 2 AI's. This becomes a predictive police state, since the police are the ones who deal with it day to day. People would hate it, since from their perspective it's arbitrary. Every time someone died, you'd say "Damn it, why did the AI not give me a heads up?" Dystopia, really. | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 6:19 | answer | added | J. Berry | timeline score: 1 | |
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| Sep 30, 2020 at 1:47 | answer | added | Jessica Knight | timeline score: 0 | |
| Sep 30, 2020 at 0:41 | answer | added | Ángel | timeline score: 2 | |
| Sep 29, 2020 at 22:24 | answer | added | Oleg Lobachev | timeline score: 6 | |
| Sep 29, 2020 at 21:14 | comment | added | Mad Physicist | We do things like that all the time. It's called self defense. | |
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| Sep 29, 2020 at 8:57 | comment | added | Michael Mortensen | In such a scenario you would actually also need to have the AI tell you what laws to implement. 50 years ago, we didn't have most, if not all of the laws around the internet we have today. So today people can commit crimes, that were not considered crimes, nor illegal at the time of their birth. Most laws are made as a response to a problem, but if all the future criminals are removed before they can commit the crime. Then there will be no need to implement the law, making it no longer illegal. This is a paradox the AI can only solve by getting the laws implemented on it's word alone | |
| Sep 29, 2020 at 4:46 | comment | added | Pingcode | Tangential to the question at hand, but the original book version of Minority Report doesn’t rely on the last-possible-moment strategy either, though they do have detailed (if tightly restricted) reports on the ‘how’ of the murder. It also explores the problem of preventing the crime by revealing the prediction; the protagonist ultimately discovers the system iterated on the results of his foreknowledge and determined that he would commit the murder anyway when faced with the alternative | |
| Sep 29, 2020 at 4:03 | answer | added | Fluidized Pigeon Reactor | timeline score: 3 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 17:33 | answer | added | chasly - supports Monica | timeline score: 5 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 17:10 | answer | added | Alexander | timeline score: 7 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 16:52 | answer | added | computercarguy | timeline score: 3 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 16:18 | comment | added | computercarguy | At what level is a crime considered to be major enough to be arrested before the crime, like the ones at birth? Stealing a pack of gum at age 6, stealing bread to eat, jaywalking, speeding, fender bender, participating in a protest that turns violent, or is it "just" for "harder" and actually harsher crimes, like smoking weed, armed robbery, car jacking, sex trafficking, murder, etc.? (FYI, the "smoking weed" is a sarcastic remark.) | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 15:19 | answer | added | Erik | timeline score: 21 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 14:20 | answer | added | Loki Deus | timeline score: 1 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 13:48 | comment | added | Kaz | @gen-ℤreadytoperish Was it "Person of Interest"? | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 12:40 | answer | added | mjt | timeline score: 101 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 10:26 | comment | added | DBS | @gen-ℤreadytoperish I think you are thinking of "Person of Interest", and yes, it has a similar premise, though they get around the moral issues by having the machine just give a persons ID who will be involved in a crime (Possibly the criminal, possibly the victim) so humans still have to investigate and prevent the crime rather than just eliminate the potential criminal. | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 8:18 | comment | added | val - disappointed in SE | This sounds like a great dystopian idea. Also mind that if you have such a system, it would allow to correct issues that would cause predicted crime instead of resorting to arresting people. | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 5:38 | answer | added | user3153372 | timeline score: 31 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 5:18 | comment | added | DKNguyen | I wonder what was supposed to happen in Minority Report if they stopped the crime, and then released the person. Would the crime still end up happening later? They never covered this in the movie but I have to assume they already tested things out and it does. They certainly mention that in the beginning the crimes being dreamed were actually happening if left alone. | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 3:46 | answer | added | raubvogel | timeline score: 0 | |
| Sep 28, 2020 at 2:04 | comment | added | gen-ℤ ready to perish | Wasnt this a TV show called Intelligence or something like that? “The Machine” predicts crimes, and this guy and woman have to catch the criminals within 24 hours. | |
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| Sep 27, 2020 at 22:37 | comment | added | Xavon_Wrentaile | @Ceramicmrno0b if they do it right, they don't have to. If the AI is that smart, it can tell them to stop the kid from shoplifting which lead down the slippery slope to bank robbing. The bullying that insights a murder. The child abuse that continues the cycle of violence. | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 19:59 | comment | added | Ceramicmrno0b | @Cadence, they do (most of the time), but how do they prove the person was going to commit a crime before it happened? | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 19:55 | comment | added | Cadence | If you have that powerful a predictive model, why not rehabilitate criminals? After all, a productive worker is a lot more valuable than a prisoner or corpse, and unlike every other rehabilitative program, you know if it will work. | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 19:23 | answer | added | Seallussus | timeline score: 1 | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 19:22 | answer | added | Willk | timeline score: 19 | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 18:26 | comment | added | G0BLiN | Regarding "limited by its programming" - recommended reading: Asimov's All the troubles of the world - it has a somewhat similar premise to Minority Report - both dealing with the failure of a fail-proof proactive crime prevention "oracle" | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 18:12 | comment | added | AlexP | They do not arrest future criminals. They arrest innocent people. It is the thugs of this fascist agency who are the criminals. "A parrot picked up a fortune cookie out of a jar" is never valid justification to deprieve somebody of liberty. | |
| Sep 27, 2020 at 17:55 | answer | added | The Square-Cube Law | timeline score: 39 | |
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