Timeline for What is the realistic approach for a person from modern age to build a modern weapon factory in the Bronze Age?
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| Apr 27, 2020 at 20:47 | comment | added | Hueco | If you have someone capable of placing accurate rounds out to 1000m, then that same person is capable of putting an M4 round accurately out to 500m. The difference is the M4 will offer twice the ammo capacity and select fire for when it's needed. And accuracy? This isn't a video game - the M4 will shoot perfectly fine out to 500m consistently. I take mine out to 800m, but have also tweaked it for long range shooting. My point here, again, is you blanket statement "infantry weapons aren't accurate"...like hell they aren't! | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 20:43 | comment | added | Hueco | Really? You pull data from Vietnam? Cherry pick data much? About 25% of troops in 'Nam were drafted, sent through boot, and dropped into the country. They were given an M14, which is an automatic rifle firing the 7.62x51mm NATO round. This is a tough to control weapons platform. They fought against an enemy that liked to hide in thick brush, so suppressive fire was the name of the game. How about, instead, you pull numbers for non-draft infantry fighting in Afghanistan. This would be a better representation of your 10 people. | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 18:08 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | I added a section for you on this. The issue with infantry weapons is that the users don't tend to have great accuracy, and a lot of bullets tend to be used per kill. Once you start up a forge you can start mass producing other useful weapons. | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 18:05 | history | edited | Nepene Nep | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 27, 2020 at 16:43 | comment | added | Hueco | This is what I mean - you have done zero homework or thought to what rounds would work for this, how many you can pack, how much that weighs, how long it'll last, the training required to use the weapon, the longevity of the weapon... | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 16:40 | comment | added | Hueco | Or, even better IMO, give everyone .357mag lever actions and revolvers to share the cartridge and get just about 1000 rounds per person with the ability to use the round for self defense AND hunting! A .223 is not adequate to take down anything bigger than a coyote, except a human. | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 16:37 | comment | added | Hueco | Or, you can give everyone an M4 with 5.56 ammo and instruct them not to shoot until 200m or in, of which misses will be less. You've also got twice the ammo. 10 people all sporting M4's with 6000 rounds between them is plenty enough to disband most attacks. But, that's not a "big sniper rifle". | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 16:36 | comment | added | Hueco | Exactly: 10 people, 10 backpacks. 300 rounds of .308 vs 600 of .223 per person. Big concrete bunkers? C'mon man. The majority of WWI was fought in trenches. The US Cavalry existed right up until the Gat. This had nothing to do with "clearing land" or "concrete bunkers." In your answer, you say "big guns" and a "backup pistol, or several"...well now you have two round choices that you need to cart around and little to waste. So why a big "sniper rifle"? You can take 300 shots at range then and can't afford to miss once, of which there will be a probability of that because shots at 1000m arehard | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 11:52 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | They have ten people and ten backpacks. They don't have enough spare weight to carry enough ammo to fend off cavalry charges. What more effectively negated cavalry charges was clearing lots of land so you had a clear firing range, and making heavy concrete bunkers with lots of gunmen and machine guns, with massive amounts of ammo. They can't do any of that here, not can they rely on having good terrain for machine guns. I have shot a gun, yes. | |
| Apr 27, 2020 at 2:22 | comment | added | Hueco | You do realize that automatic weaponry put an end to the cavalry charge as far as tactics go and that came about starting with the Gatling gun...right? You aren’t coming back to my critique with anything more than unobtainium and hand-wavium. Have you ever even shot a gun? I mean, outside of call of duty? | |
| Apr 25, 2020 at 10:55 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | This is about starting a medieval economy in a bronze age society. I imagine you would need a lot of experts, including skilled snipers who could reliably hit people at 1000 meters on a windless day. Humans are extremely valuable. If you lose any of your initial ten, you're fucked. At 300m you probably have around 15-20 seconds to escape if someone chases you down on horseback. That isn't long. | |
| Apr 25, 2020 at 5:59 | comment | added | Hueco | -1 from me for not knowing a darn thing about shooting and recommending it essentially out of your butt. I hinted at the amount of ammo of various types you can carry at a fixed volume and how much it would weigh. It's a lot harder to hit a moving target at long range than you're thinking, even with training. US Army qualifications only go out to 300m. At that range, you don't need a "sniper rifle." If you're going to recommend something, please do the homework of learning about that thing. | |
| Apr 25, 2020 at 1:27 | history | edited | Nepene Nep | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 25, 2020 at 1:17 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | I noted some of the smaller portable kits you could get. They wouldn't be the best, but they would be enough to get you going. And yeah, you'd need a lot of batteries. In the long run, you'd want to build local replacements. Longer range is better. It's fantasy land, so they may be able to throw fireballs or cast tracking spells. And yeah, you'd need a lot of power. In the longer run, you'd likely seek out local substitutes like fire mages. | |
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| Apr 24, 2020 at 19:14 | comment | added | Dan Hanson | You'll be bringing a lot of batteries and solar panels. It takes about 37 kWh of energy to smelt a kilo of pig iron. You can't do it directly with solar power, so you need batteries. A 37 kWh battery is about half the size of the battery used in a Tesla model S. So that's about 250 kg of batteries. To charge them in a 10 hour day, You would need 3.7 kW of solar cells, or 18 standard 3' x 6' solar panels. With all that, you could smelt 1lb of pig iron per day. If we don't add in system losses, | |
| Apr 24, 2020 at 8:14 | comment | added | Hueco | What range do you consider a long range engagement? | |
| Apr 24, 2020 at 4:22 | comment | added | John | Your portable machining kit will barely fit in a truck much less a backpack , a mass spectrometer for metallurgy is not backpack portable and needs a butt load of power. A chemistry kit is't going to help you make black powder in quantity, and you are going to need a huge solar panel and a bank of batteries to power some of these things. You would be lucky to fill all of this is a single shipping container much less 10 backpacks. Also your arc welder will be useless fairly quickly since you can't get rods for it. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 23:49 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | They want to build a sustainable factory, and more guns means they can arm natives to fight for them. I mentioned a pistol would be good, but for any enemies ideally you'll hit them at a substantial range. With ten people, you'll run out fast if you have close range fights. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 21:09 | comment | added | Hueco | If you're bringing firearms then you don't need to produce firearms - you only need bullets. Also, keep in mind that a .308/7.62x51 is a common sniper round and you can get ~320 into an ammo can at ~17lbs. .223/5.56 is your AR15 round and fits ~600 rounds into the can at 16lbs. 9mm is a handgun cartridge and gets you ~1200 in the can at ~28lbs. And the squirrel killer .22LR gets you ~3400 rounds at ~25lbs. Given all this, I think you may want to rethink that sniper rifle...your best bet will be a revolver and lever action sharing a .357magnum for a balance in quantity/weight/power. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 17:27 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | You have guns, you can ward off a few addicts. Addiction is a problem later, not a today problem. The goal will to be rush production of guns. I also included seeds, so you can grow tobacco. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 15:40 | comment | added | NomadMaker | I'm not quite sure about the addictive drugs (especially cigarettes). You get the natives addicted, then you run out, then you've got problems with the natives. Go for candy. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 14:05 | history | edited | Nepene Nep | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 23, 2020 at 14:04 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | Yeah, each of these items can be contained within their backpacks. Welding equipment does seem useful, I'll add that. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 11:56 | comment | added | Jack | On top of this, you would also likely need equipment to braze and weld parts together, as well as possibly a reloading bench for ammunition. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 11:52 | comment | added | L.Dutch♦ | OP requirement: Things that the person bring from the modern earth is limited to the size of a backpack. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 11:04 | comment | added | Nepene Nep | I added this to the post. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 11:04 | history | edited | Nepene Nep | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 23, 2020 at 10:59 | comment | added | Burki | I'd like to suggest adding a medic of sorts, and making sure everybody is very well trained in first aid at least. And make very, very sure their teeth are in really good shape. | |
| Apr 23, 2020 at 10:35 | history | answered | Nepene Nep | CC BY-SA 4.0 |